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Nepročitano 05-09-11, 21:36   #11
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Ne bi se složio. Svojim otkupljenjem Isus je samo prislino nas sluge preuzeo iz Sataninog gazdovanja. Bili sluge prije i postali sluge kod Krista. Nikakva strašna promjena. A pitanje je što učiniti da kod Krista prestanemo biti sluge već preko njega dobiti slobodu?

Ov o je dakako druga tematika u odnosu na gornje pitanje i raspravu.
Najveći sluga je on..jer je jedini mogao "zaslužiti" spas čovjeka..jer je Bog.A spasio nas je preko čovještva...

Ljudska narav (čovještvo koje je uzeo) je sredstvo spasenja jer je uzdigao ljudsku narav u okrilje Trojedinog Boga.Isus je i sad čovjek i paradigma ulaska svakoga čovjeka u božanski svijet.Po njemu i u njemu.

Misliš da bi čovjek bio kadar biti takav sluga kao što je On?


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Ovo pitanje nije toliko izazovno i interesantno tebi jer katolička i današnja kršćanska teologija razmišlja blago i površno i ne ulazi u dohovnu energetiku koliko sljedbenicima istočnih učenja o sedmostepenom putu. A upravo tu proroštvo Ivanovo i viđenje Ivanovo otkriva Krista kao jedinog učitelja svijeta koji ima otvorenih svih sedam pečata duše i otkriva ga kao jedinog kvalificiranog gurua. Sad sam dovoljno pomogao a ti odgovori sutra kada se dobro pripremiš!
ne znam ništa o čakrama i guruima, ali uvijek možemo o Ivanovoj teologiji....


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Misliš da bi čovjek bio kadar biti takav sluga kao što je On?

Ja bi Isusovo djelovanje u volji Oca nazvao lijepše: službovanje a ne slugovanje.

Isus uči da trebamo iz sluganstva preći u sinovski odnos sa Ocem.
Nađi mi onu priču Isusovu u bibliji o slugama koji umnožavaju talente dok je gazda odsutan dok je onaj jedan loš sluga zakopao talente i nije ih umnožio? Da malo raspravimo o istom,no ne večeras,idem za koju minutu spavati..."čujemo "se sutra navečer u vezi ove temem i one druge ovdje....
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ne znam ništa o čakrama i guruima, ali uvijek možemo o Ivanovoj teologiji....
Nećemo o Ivanovoj teologiji,rađe o Ivanovom viđenju o otvaranju knjige sa sedam pečata!
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Isus je naravni Sin Oca, a mi adoptivni po milosti...

A ti za zadatak prouči Pelagija koji je tvrdio da se čovjek može spasiti svojim dobrim djelima....

I usput pitaj protestante što misle o tome.....


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Nećemo o Ivanovoj teologiji,rađe o Ivanovom viđenju o otvaranju knjige sa sedam pečata!
Slabo ti stojim sa apokaliptikom, eventualnim utjecajem esena (tebi dragih dualista) na Ivana i Otkrivenjem.....

Mislim da ti u tome ne mogu biti zanimljiv sugovornik.

Otkrivenje je pisano u periodu kad je jezik morao biti iznimno simboličan zbog povijesnih okolnosti.

No, Slape...laka ti noć.Jezik ti je suptilniji, drago mi je radi toga..


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Ne bi se složio. Svojim otkupljenjem Isus je samo prislino nas sluge preuzeo iz Sataninog gazdovanja. Bili sluge prije i postali sluge kod Krista. Nikakva strašna promjena. A pitanje je što učiniti da kod Krista prestanemo biti sluge već preko njega dobiti slobodu?

Ov o je dakako druga tematika u odnosu na gornje pitanje i raspravu.
Tako da prihvatimo "JA JESAM". Bukvalno. U Otkrivenju je naznačeno da će samo oni koji poznaju ime božje ući u kraljevstvo božje u kraju vremena. Ja sam Isusovu poruku shvatila na način da je došao objaviti da Bog nije odvojeni lik koji sjedi negdje na nebu, kako su do tada svi proroci i sve svete knjige objavljivale. I da zazivajući ime božje "Ja Jesam" oslobađam sebe od bilo kojeg sluganstva. A njegove upute i nauk kako živjeti, kao način zaštite sebe samih, zbog lakše spoznaje da "JA JESAM" ovdje i sada, bez opterećenja grijeha iz prošlosti i straha od budućnosti. Tako je jedino i moguće osloboditi srčanu čakru i postići ljubav o kojoj je govorio. A to je istinska sloboda. Pokazalo se, a Otkrivenje je to i naznačilo, da u današnjem "kraju vremena" najviše stradavaju i najteže žive oni koji su identificirani sa ovim svijetom, svojim ulogama u njemu, baš zato jer se ne mogu pomiriti sa promjenama i nestalnosti svijeta kakav je, u kojemu je teško živjeti na način da "ja jesam".
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Nećemo o Ivanovoj teologiji,rađe o Ivanovom viđenju o otvaranju knjige sa sedam pečata!

Slap....kako tumačiš Ivanovo Otkrivenje? Da li je on prorok? Obzirom da je otkrivenje pisano 80-100 godina poslije Isusa, a Isus je vrlo izričito rekao da nakon njega neće biti proroka do dana njegova povratka? Isto tako je i rekao da ćemo dobiti nove spoznaje onda kada dođe vrijeme za to. Da li nam ih šalje preko mnoštva pisaca raznoraznih knjiga koje spadaju pod psihologiju, new age, ....a većina ih se temelji na Isusovim izjavama, tj. nisu u suprotnosti s njima samo ih elaboriraju na većini lakše prihvatljiv način? Doista me zanima tvoje mišljenje.
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Tako da prihvatimo "JA JESAM".
...i ono što "Ja jesam" uči.
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Slap....kako tumačiš Ivanovo Otkrivenje? Da li je on prorok? Obzirom da je otkrivenje pisano 80-100 godina poslije Isusa, a Isus je vrlo izričito rekao da nakon njega neće biti proroka do dana njegova povratka? Isto tako je i rekao da ćemo dobiti nove spoznaje onda kada dođe vrijeme za to. Da li nam ih šalje preko mnoštva pisaca raznoraznih knjiga koje spadaju pod psihologiju, new age, ....a većina ih se temelji na Isusovim izjavama, tj. nisu u suprotnosti s njima samo ih elaboriraju na većini lakše prihvatljiv način? Doista me zanima tvoje mišljenje.

U svome djeluDemonstratioevangelica (III, 5, 15) crkveni historik Eusebije Kajsarejskiprogonstvo IvananaPatmos (gdjejezabilježio ‘Apokalipsu’) implicitno stavljauvrijemeNerona (54.-68. g.).
Gdje je Isus rekao da neće biti proroka do njegovog dolaska?
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