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Nepročitano 08-04-13, 12:38   #3831
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.....a možda mu nije ništa ni rekao. ......pogotovo ne na ovakav način.
I ja kažem. Čisto sumnjam da bi svećenik bilo koje vjeroispovjesti ispalio takvu glupost.


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Sto se tice onih tvojih bogova reci mi do kad seze najstariji pisani zapis o njima?
Ne moramo uopste ici u daleku proslost. Jos koliko "juce", recimo pre 2000 godina je sijaset bogova bilo na sceni u ovim krajevima dok ih hriscani nisu proterali.


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Opet na kraju tvrdis da Eskim nece otici u pakao ako nije cuo za Isusa. A prije toga smo utvrdili da Bog odlucuje o tome, a ne covjek.
Nece ZBOG TOGA STO NIJE CUO ZA ISUSA otici u pakao. Nije to razlog da ode u pakao. Ako iz nekog razloga zasluzi otici ce. Dakle zasto ga uciti o Isusu ili nekom drugom bogu ? Zasto ne samo o moralnim normama ? U kojima ne bi bilo stavki "ubi " kao sto ima u crkvenim.

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Uostalom jasno je iz kriscanskog ucenja da je duznost siriti ucenje. Zato je svestenik je odgovoran ako ne prenese Eskimu poruku. Ako li kralj posalje glasonosu da obavjesti a ovaj ne obavijesti istina je da kralj nece drzati odgovornim ljude, ali hoce glasonosu.
Da jasno je da im je duznost da sire, a jasno i zbog cega, i zbog cije koristi.
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Nepročitano 09-04-13, 08:46   #3833
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Jesi siguran da eskim (prije nego mu je pop prisupio) već nije vjerovao u neko svoje božanstvo? Deklarirao se kao ateist, specijalno za ateistički marketing?




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Jesi siguran da eskim (prije nego mu je pop prisupio) već nije vjerovao u neko svoje božanstvo? Deklarirao se kao ateist, specijalno za ateistički marketing?
Mogao je biti ateist, mogao je imati svog boga/bogove.
Pitanje je zasto je hriscanima stalo da ga nauce da veruje u Isusa.
A odgovor je svima znan.
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Mogao je biti ateist, mogao je imati svog boga/bogove.
Pitanje je zasto je hriscanima stalo da ga nauce da veruje u Isusa.
A odgovor je svima znan.

A zašto ne? Zar nije svejedno u kog boga vjernik vjeruje? Mislila sam da si protiv svih vjera i vjernika a ne protiv određenih.




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A zašto ne? Zar nije svejedno u kog boga vjernik vjeruje?

Ako je svejedno u kog boga veruje, onda opet postavljam pitanje - zasto hriscani zele naturiti drugima svog? Naravno zbog vlasti i licne koristi. No dobro, tu mislim da se svi manje vise i slazemo. Skoro nikog ovde nisam cuo da ima lepu rec za crkvu kao organizaciju.

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Mislila sam da si protiv svih vjera i vjernika a ne protiv određenih.
Naravno da sam protiv svih. Sad sam uzeo ovaj primer, hriscanstvo. Imao sam kritiku i drugih...
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Naravno da sam protiv svih. Sad sam uzeo ovaj primer, hriscanstvo. Imao sam kritiku i drugih...

Da li si ikada poverovao u nešto za šta nemaš dokaz, a zvuči ti logično?
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Zadani Pričaš mi priču da si u pravu...

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Eto, kako je Realista rekao.
I ja sam ateist. Vjerujem, točnije, imam povjerenja u znanost, u prave odgovore, ne vjerujem u demagogiju i laži ni jedne religije.
Relativno mnogi doktori znanosti i akademski građani vjeruju u Boga....pa pitanje Boga nije stvar znanosti kao što pitanje Boga i njegovog plana i "skrivenosti" ne mora biti pitanje mnogih lažnih religija i lažnih proroka.

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Govoreći o bogu/bogovima/božicama je jednako kao kada pričam djeci priču koja uključuje jednoroge, zmajeve koji rigaju plamen, vile i patuljke. Sve izmišljeno od strane čovjeka.
Ja bih rekao da "neki" proroci i duhovni učitelji religija su mnogo filozofski pametniji od tebe i da mnoge religijske objave i misli ne mogu pojmiti ni ti ni tvoja djeca (kad ih već spominješ) jer u mislima nekih starozavjetnih proroka ili Isusa,ili Krišne u Bhagavad giti postoji toliko životne mudrosti i filozofije da se to cijeni od mnogih velikih ljudi pa i objektivnih ateista.

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Znam da se nema smisla opterećivati da li nešto postoji ili ne, jer onog dana kada umremo, sve naše emocije, sjećanja, misli će nestati sa nama. Odabirom evolucije, tj slučajnim odabirom smo ovdje gdje jesmo. I to je meni sva mudrost. Nemam vremena za demagogiju, za fantaziranja.
Tu uopće nema mudrosti i filozofije. Ti uopće nisi mjerilo stvari jer nema u tebi mudrosti-filozofije. O Bogu se raspravlja filozofijom a ne naukom.
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Zadani SMIJEŠNI ATEISTI....i njihovo ZDRAVO ZA GOTOVO

Pametni naučenjaci nisu ateisti jer mogu zaključiti da iza predivnih pojavnosti u svemiru,prirodi (mimikrija npr.), organizmima stoji smislenost,ideja,zakon,red...što nije moglo nastati slučajno....jer iza svake zakonitosti,reda stoji zakonodavac,redar-BOG.

Najveća,predivna stvar je sama svijest i individualnost (i njene pojavnosti kao ljubav,etika). Ona ne može nastati iz mrtve materije.

Ostali naučenjaci i ateisti sve te pojavnosti,sve divote života tretiraju kao "ZDRAVO ZA GOTOVO" , kao stvar slučajnosti.

Ne biti ateista istovremeno ne znači biti vjernik u Boga... jer pametni ljudi bez dubljeg iskustva i spoznaja niti ne trebaju vjerovati u Boga, ali je pametno da ne prihvataju ideju da Boga nema.

Ništa ne upućuje da Boga nema,nikavih dokaza nema koje bi opovrgavale postojanje Boga ... a priroda i život upućuju da Boga ima... Neke incidentne pojavnosti u svemiru ili nered u ljudskom društvo ne ukazuju da Boga nema, više je isto stvar nerazumijevanja zašto Bog ne djeluje onako kako bi mi to željeli.
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