Alternativa Forum

Konvert

Ovo je diskusija na temu Konvert u podforumu Religija
Isus je preuzeo grijehe boga starog zavjeta. Jedino se na takav ...

Natrag   Alternativa Forum > Metafizika i duhovnost > Religija

Alternativa Forum


Religija Trajna egzistencijalna karakteristika ljudskog bića

Odgovor
LinkBack Opcije Teme Način Prikaza
Nepročitano 01-11-12, 01:30   #1
padanormalan
 
chameleon's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Jul 2011
Lokacija: prva desno poslije skretanja
Postovi: 12,418
chameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond repute
chameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond reputechameleon has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani Konvert

Isus je preuzeo grijehe boga starog zavjeta. Jedino se na takav način mogao bog urazumit u mudrosti Isusa.

A što mislite kako bi perverznjak koji je šibao po ljudima, tražio žrtvovanje djece, birao ekipu koja mu paše, mogao biti prihvaćen jednom kad bi ljudi došli pameti?
A što bi tek nastalo da je takav bog nastavio sa takvom praksom sve do danas a da ljudi nekom suludom kombinacijom nisu evoluirali?
Ni Bush mu ne bi bio ravan.

Isus, predivan čovjek (svaka bi ga za zeta) koji je to dobro razumio, otkupio je grijehe starog tiranina i pretvorio ga u boga ljubavi.
Isus je žrtvovao sebe da spasi boga, metaforički. Znao je da čovjeku treba vjera ali ne u starog pokvarenjaka.
Žrtva nije bila "starina" židovskom narodu. Idolopoklonstvo također. Abrahamova nakana žrtvovanja svog sina nije došla od čovjeka koji nema nikakve veze sa kulturom svojeg naroda. Pitaj boga kakve su sve nemirice između plemena vladale i nastojanje da se preuzme vlast u skupinama.
Kaos se počeo stvarati i Isus u tom metežu ostvaruje sebe. Sebe koji nema veze sa modificiranim nasljedstvom egipta već kao nešto što je najsličnije budizmu. Narod prestaje vjerovat u žrtve, izradu kućanskih bogova, bog ne prati bjes pravednika koji postaje svatko dovoljno nadobudan ili iskren. Kako da se umiri taj kaotični narod?
Ljubav.
Zašto veći dio židova nije prihvatio Isusa?
Zato što je bio "unutarnji neprijatelj". Židovi su imali organizirane skupine koje su trebale sabotirati rimsku vlast. I sad se pojavi neki odrpanac koji ne samo da nema ništa protiv rimljana nego im da svoju guzu!? Sjetite se Gandhia. Ljubav nije dovoljna.
E pa nećemo tako! Ubij izdajnika!
Da se ne bi imali šta gaditi!? Ta nam je zabava poznata otprije Isusa i nikad nije prestala.

Politika...lipi moji! Ali i pouka onima koji drže do sebe.
Btw. niste li primjetili da se nekim čudom bog pretvorio u cica-macu? Nešto mu došlo...valjda..


Stone



Podijeli post!

chameleon je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
DeteSvetla6 (03-11-12), Jesam (01-11-12), Realista (01-11-12), Tazika (22-12-12)

Nepročitano 01-11-12, 08:02   #2
Dandapani
 
Jesam's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Mar 2011
Postovi: 14,044
Jesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond repute
Jesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Pa naravno da je politika ...

Ali kako ja volim reći - svijet je višeslojan, pa tako i biblija i svi drugi sveti spisi (između ostalog).

Politika je tek jedna ljuska ... ima tu i drugih stvari. Ponešto za svakoga tko zna čitati.


slobodni.net za slobodni svijet



Podijeli post!

Jesam je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
lucero (02-11-12), Relax (02-11-12), Tazika (22-12-12)
Nepročitano 01-11-12, 11:29   #3
Guru
 
Realista's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Dec 2009
Postovi: 1,733
Realista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond repute
Realista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Bravo Cham, lep osvrt. Pun istine...
Realista je offline   Reply With Quote
Realista, hvala ti na korisnom postu!
Tazika (22-12-12)
Nepročitano 01-11-12, 11:57   #4
zadovoljna
 
Relax's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Jul 2012
Lokacija: Zagreb
Postovi: 2,203
Relax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond repute
Relax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Tja... svatko bira Boga kakav mu paše.
Svakome je dano po vjeri, pa tako i kad vjeruješ da je Bog takav i takav, takav ti se i prikazuje. Ne može drugačije


Lord, Save Me From Your "Followers"!



Podijeli post!

Relax je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
alison (22-12-12), lucero (02-11-12)
Nepročitano 02-11-12, 09:26   #5
Guru
 
Realista's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Dec 2009
Postovi: 1,733
Realista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond repute
Realista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Citat:
Originally Posted by Relax Pogledaj Post
Tja... svatko bira Boga kakav mu paše.
Svakome je dano po vjeri, pa tako i kad vjeruješ da je Bog takav i takav, takav ti se i prikazuje. Ne može drugačije
Ala ovo podseca na sugestiju...
Realista je offline   Reply With Quote
Realista, hvala ti na korisnom postu!
DeteSvetla6 (03-11-12)
Nepročitano 02-11-12, 09:27   #6
zadovoljna
 
Relax's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Jul 2012
Lokacija: Zagreb
Postovi: 2,203
Relax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond repute
Relax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond reputeRelax has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Citat:
Originally Posted by Realista Pogledaj Post
Ala ovo podseca na sugestiju...
ne podsjeća, naprosto je TAKO


Lord, Save Me From Your "Followers"!



Podijeli post!

Relax je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
alison (22-12-12), lucero (02-11-12)
Nepročitano 02-11-12, 10:36   #7
svjetlo
 
lucero's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Nov 2009
Lokacija: Pri moru
Postovi: 4,471
lucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond repute
lucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond reputelucero has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Citat:
Originally Posted by Realista Pogledaj Post
Ala ovo podseca na sugestiju...
Srećom po tebe,ti si potpuno zaštićen od te sugestije,iliti imun. A oni pak koji nisu,a ko im je kriv.

Zapravo,već sam te mislila pitati,jer nisam čitala puno prethodnih postova na temama o religiji,u što ti vjeruješ o razlogu postojanja,svijetu i sebi?
Ne ono u što ne vjeruješ,u to sam stekla neki uvid.
Ili nabaci neke od stranica gdje si već pisao o tome,ako ti se ne da ponovo,i ako te ne davim time.


"Kuda koracam hoću da bacam
snopove zlatne svjetlosti."



Podijeli post!

lucero je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
alison (22-12-12), Relax (02-11-12)
Nepročitano 02-11-12, 11:11   #8
lucy
Guest
 
lucy's Avatar
 
Postovi: n/a
Zadani

Ako niste primjetili, kako se mijenja kolektivna svijest tako se mijenja i slika boga. Oduvijek to smatram izrazito smiješnim.. ljudi misle, ako su se oni promijenili da su i neka božanstva promijenila prehrambene navike..

Prva božanstva su se izražavala kroz sliku životinje, dugačak je bio put do božanskog utjelovljenja u čovjeku..
  Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
alison (22-12-12), chameleon (03-11-12)
Nepročitano 02-11-12, 11:49   #9
Dandapani
 
Jesam's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Mar 2011
Postovi: 14,044
Jesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond repute
Jesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond reputeJesam has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Na tu temu ponovno preporučujem sjajnu i vrijednu knjigu Petera Russella: Od znanosti do boga, u kojoj je vrlo lijepo objašnjeno zašto i kako ... posebno za one duše koje još uvijek funkcioniraju bolje iz racionalnog spektra spoznavanja.

Ovdje se cijela može pročitati online a ima i download kroz facebook:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/77550749/1...#outer_page_91


slobodni.net za slobodni svijet



Podijeli post!

Jesam je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
alison (22-12-12), lucero (02-11-12), Relax (02-11-12)
Nepročitano 02-11-12, 17:42   #10
Guru
 
Realista's Avatar
 
Datum registracije: Dec 2009
Postovi: 1,733
Realista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond repute
Realista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond reputeRealista has a reputation beyond repute
Zadani

Citat:
Originally Posted by lucero Pogledaj Post
Zapravo,već sam te mislila pitati,jer nisam čitala puno prethodnih postova na temama o religiji,u što ti vjeruješ o razlogu postojanja,svijetu i sebi?
Jednostavno se ne opterecujem s time. U stanju sam da za neke stvari kazem da NEZNAM. Nije mi nuzno da izmislim svog boga ili prihvatim nekog vec izmisljenog da bih "resio" neko pitanje na koje nemam odgovor. Jasno mi je da je to samo zamazivanje ociju, guranje prasine pod tepih a ne neko resenje. Zivimo ovaj zivot. I posto nema ama bas nikakvih indicija da postoji zagrobni zivot, tu je jednostavno kraj. Lepo. Treba napraviti mesta na ovoj planeti sledecoj generaciji. Mastanje o vecnom zivotu je sebicno.
Realista je offline   Reply With Quote
Hvala na korisnom postu!
chameleon (03-11-12), DeteSvetla6 (03-11-12)
Odgovor

Opcije Teme
Način Prikaza

Pravila Pisanja Postova
Vi ne možete otvoriti novu temu
Vi ne možete odgovarati na postove
Vi ne možete pridružiti datoteku
Vi ne možete editirati Vaše postove

BB kod je On
Smajlići su On
[IMG] kod je On
HTML kod je Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Vremenska Zona je GMT +1. Trenutno je 15:48 sati.





Iz ponude izdvajamo:









Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.3.0