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Koji je dan Gospodnji? Zar to nisu svi dani?
Svi su dani Gospodnji ali možda se misli na dan kad se trebamo odmoriti od rada i posvetiti se Bogu

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NEWSWEEK The Bible: So Misunderstood It's a Sin

"Those who believed in the Trinity butchered Christians who didn’t. Groups who believed Jesus was two entities—God and man—killed those who thought Jesus was merely flesh and blood. Some felt certain God inspired Old Testament Scriptures, others were convinced they were the product of a different, evil God. Some believed the Crucifixion brought salvation to humankind, others insisted it didn’t, and still others believed Jesus wasn’t crucified.
Indeed, for hundreds of years after the death of Jesus, groups adopted radically conflicting writings about the details of his life and the meaning of his ministry, and murdered those who disagreed. For many centuries, Christianity was first a battle of books and then a battle of blood. The reason, in large part, was that there were no universally accepted manuscripts that set out what it meant to be a Christian, so most sects had their own gospels."
"Christianity was in chaos in its early days, with some sects declaring the others heretics. And then, in the early 300s, Emperor Constantine of Rome declared he had become follower of Jesus, ended his empire’s persecution of Christians and set out to reconcile the disputes among the sects. Constantine was a brutal sociopath who murdered his eldest son, decapitated his brother-in-law and killed his wife by boiling her alive, and that was after he proclaimed that he had converted from worshipping the sun god to being a Christian. Yet he also changed the course of Christian history, ultimately influencing which books made it into the New Testament."

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Kako kršćanski slaviti dan Gospodnji?
Dan posvećen Stvoritelju je subota. Zadnji, sedmi dan u tjednu. Ne slavi se dan, nego se slavi Stvoritelj. Taj dan odmaraš od svih zemaljskih poslova, i posvećuješ se zahvali Stvoritelju, uživanju u Njegovoj kreaciji.. stvorenjima, morima, planinama, nebesima.... posvećuješ se čitanju Riječi koju nam je ostavio da možemo upoznati i vršiti Njegovu volju, da bi nas sačuvao od laži zloga i smrti u koju konzumacija tih laži vodi.

Dakle subota je dan odmora od svjetovnog posla.. dan zahvalnosti.. dan pomoći potrebitima.. dan vršenja volje Gospodnje, dan slavljenja i boljeg upoznavanja Onoga koji nam je dao Život, Svoju Riječ, utjelovljenje Riječi u Spasitelju Isusu Kristu, i svaki milimetar kreacije koji postoji.. Zajedništvo sa Gospodinom je moguće jedino kroz vjeru u Isusa Krista, očišćenje i pomirenje sa Ocem kroz Njega i primanje Duha Svetoga. Kada stupimo u "Krista" stupili smo u Subotnji počinak sa Gospodinom.

Sjeti se da svetkuješ dan subotni. Šest dana radi i obavljaj sav svoj posao. A sedmoga je dana subota, počinak posvećen Jahvi, Bogu tvojemu. Tada nikakva posla nemoj raditi: ni ti, ni sin tvoj, ni kći tvoja, ni sluga tvoj, ni sluškinja tvoja, ni živina tvoja, niti došljak koji se nađe unutar tvojih vrata. Ta i Jahve je šest dana stvarao nebo, zemlju i more i sve što je u njima, a sedmoga je dana počinuo. Stoga je Jahve blagoslovio i posvetio dan subotni.
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"Kršćanstvo gubi svu bit kad se počne previše temeljiti na vjeri umjesto na življenju na Isusov način ili na gledanju na svijet Isusovim očima. Meni su različite religije samo različiti ulazi u istu kuću. Katkad mislim da ta kuća postoji, a katkad ne. Velik je to misterij." Steve Jobs


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Uoo, nemam namjeru braniti Vatikan, jer zločini koje su počinili kroz povijest nemaju nikakvog opravdanja, a više manje svima su poznata. No ne znam u kojoj si ti zajednici, da li si se raspitao i provjerio? Radiš li nesvjesno za "trgovačko društvo" bez odgovornosti (primaju novčanu plaću na zemlji, oslobodjeni poreza na dobit i nekretnine, iz proračuna od države, desetina od članstva, dobrovoljni prilozi....), a tvoje zdravstveno i socijalno biti će plaćeno na nebu?


"Kršćanstvo gubi svu bit kad se počne previše temeljiti na vjeri umjesto na življenju na Isusov način ili na gledanju na svijet Isusovim očima. Meni su različite religije samo različiti ulazi u istu kuću. Katkad mislim da ta kuća postoji, a katkad ne. Velik je to misterij." Steve Jobs
Pusti religije... zajednice i sl.. ja ne pripadam nijednoj.. pripadam Isusu Kristu.. Tijelu Kristovom..

religije i denominacije nastaju kada zaboravimo na Isusa, kada zaboravimo na Njegovu Riječ koju nam je ostavio. Kako ćeš živjeti na Isusov način ako Ga nisi upoznao?

Isus nije proizvoljna fantazija..
upravo da svatko nebi izmišljao svoju doktrinu i svojega Isusa zamišljenog po vlastitim požudama, Isus, Riječ, Bog, nam je ostavio SVOJU RIJEČ.

Isus ti kaže:
Nebo će i zemlja uminuti, ali riječi moje ne, neće uminuti.
Marko 13:31

Zato upoznaj Ga/Njegovu Riječ..

Odgovori mu Isus: Ako me tko ljubi, čuvat će moju riječ pa će i Otac moj ljubiti njega i k njemu ćemo doći i kod njega se nastaniti. Tko mene ne ljubi, riječi mojih ne čuva.
Ivan 14:22

Zaista, zaista, kažem vam: ako tko očuva moju riječ, neće vidjeti smrti dovijeka
Ivan 8:51

Doista.. čitaj Njegovu Riječ..

Sahne trava, vene cvijet, ali riječ Boga našeg ostaje dovijeka.
Izaija 40:8

Ako ostanete u mojoj riječi, uistinu, moji ste učenici; upoznat ćete istinu i istina će vas osloboditi.
Ivan 8:31-32

U početku bijaše Riječ i Riječ bijaše u Boga i Riječ bijaše Bog. Ona bijaše u početku u Boga. Sve postade po njoj i bez nje ne postade ništa. Svemu što postade u njoj bijaše život i život bijaše ljudima svjetlo; i svjetlo u tami svijetli i tama ga ne obuze.
Ivan 1:1-5

On nas izbavi iz vlasti tame i prenese u kraljevstvo Sina, ljubavi svoje, u kome imamo otkupljenje, otpuštenje grijeha.
On je slika Boga nevidljivoga, Prvorođenac svakog stvorenja. Ta u njemu je sve stvoreno na nebesima i na zemlji, vidljivo i nevidljivo, bilo Prijestolja, bilo Gospodstva, bilo Vrhovništva, bilo Vlasti - sve je po njemu i za njega stvoreno: on je prije svega i sve stoji u njemu.

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Isus nije proizvoljna fantazija.. [/b][/size]upravo da svatko nebi izmišljao svoju doktrinu i svojega Isusa zamišljenog po vlastitim požudama, Isus, Riječ, Bog, nam je ostavio SVOJU RIJEČ.

Isus ti kaže:
Nebo će i zemlja uminuti, ali riječi moje ne, neće uminuti.
Marko 13:31

Zato upoznaj Ga/Njegovu Riječ..

Odgovori mu Isus: Ako me tko ljubi, čuvat će moju riječ pa će i Otac moj ljubiti njega i k njemu ćemo doći i kod njega se nastaniti. Tko mene ne ljubi, riječi mojih ne čuva.
Ivan 14:22

Zaista, zaista, kažem vam: ako tko očuva moju riječ, neće vidjeti smrti dovijeka
Ivan 8:51

Doista.. čitaj Njegovu Riječ..

Sahne trava, vene cvijet, ali riječ Boga našeg ostaje dovijeka.
Izaija 40:8

Ako ostanete u mojoj riječi, uistinu, moji ste učenici; upoznat ćete istinu i istina će vas osloboditi.
Ivan 8:31-32

U početku bijaše Riječ i Riječ bijaše u Boga i Riječ bijaše Bog. Ona bijaše u početku u Boga. Sve postade po njoj i bez nje ne postade ništa. Svemu što postade u njoj bijaše život i život bijaše ljudima svjetlo; i svjetlo u tami svijetli i tama ga ne obuze.
Ivan 1:1-5
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Sve je to lijepo i dobro ali imam jedan problem s tim ... što to nije Isus napisao nego netko treći tvrdeći da je to Isus rekao. A mi u to trebamo vjerovati zato jer...? jer je drevno pa samim time mora biti istinito? Ili zato što u samom tekstu kojeg je pisao tko zna tko piše da je istinito?
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