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Nepročitano 29-01-14, 22:53   #31
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Evangelisti, 700 Club i Pat Robertson?! Jesil' ti njih prije ikad pratio? Izvini sto sam ovako direktan, ali bolje ti je pogledaj malo koji katolicki program. Oni barem pustaju dobre filmove, sto je vrlo bitno.
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Meni je sve to u redu sa vjerom,bar onaj dio koji govori da su svi ljudi jednaki i da se trebaju poštivati.
Ono sto nije u redu je to da se uopce ne postuje taj dio nego se samo gleda kako pribrat u svojt abor sto vise ljudi,pa makar i strahom.
Crkva kao institucija je,po meni,vise udaljena od ljubavi negoli ljudi u nekom selu npr.
Sama ta priča cjelokupna,kao i priča drugih religija je puna izmisljotina sa zacinima navodne ljubavi da bi se ovce zadrzalo na pravi put,njihov put.
Kakav je to Bog koji je pun ljubavi a onda stvori ovakvu prirodu di se zivotinje trgaju na komade ili bombe kasape ljude?

Zato mi ove svjetske religije uopce nemaju smisla,vise smisla mi ima David Icke objasnjenje jer tocno pogadja u srid.

Mi smo kreatori,beskrajna svemogucnost,netreba nam neki tamo bog na visokom koji odlucuje.
Mi smo stvorili i ovu prividnu stvarnost,ovu matricu kojom je zavladao strah i sad taj strah,svjestan sebe,namjesta realnost da
ostvari jos vise straha,a pogledamo li dosadasnji svijet,vidimo da je upravo tako i namjesten,da proizvodi strah.
Zato kad mi netko prica o ljubavi u vjeri,tog ima,ali to dolazi od ljudi koji su iskreni i pošteni i koji zele pomagati drugima a vjeruju u Isusa ili kojeg drugog boga.
To nije crkva napravila nego čovjek.

Svaka čast na vjeri Uoo,koliko vidim,dobar si i iskren,takav i ostani,ako ti tvoja vjera pomaze u zivotu onda je se slobodno drzi jer to je tvoje pravo i drago mi je da ti pomaze.
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Hvala Max.. najstrašnija Istina je ta što je naš Bog u svemu Savršen i Pravedan..

pitaš se zašto bi to bilo strašno?

Zato jer mi nismo.. i što onda može kao takav učiniti sa nama?

Srećom je i milostiv.. dobrostiv.. prepun ljubavi.. pa nam pruža ruku.. pruža priliku


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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Nepročitano 30-01-14, 18:14   #34
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Razlika između "izvornog" kršćanstva i KC je u tome što se Kristova Crkva "nalazi u" (subsistit in) u KC, ali nije u opsegu identična s njom.
To jasno kaže i sama Katolička Crkva u svojoj dogmatskoj konstituciji o Crkvi LUMEN GENTIUM, ali kako svećenici ne proučavaju previše dokumente vlastite Crkve, zaborave se pa još govore kako izvan KC nema spasenja.

Ako se Isus Krist pogleda samo iz kuta filozofije kao Logos, to je dovoljno da bismo razumjeli kako svatko ima mogućnost biti uveden u izvorno kršćanstvo (malo mi je nejasan opseg toga pojma ovdje), putem milosti.
Ja vjerujem u sakramentalnu milost euharistije kako ju podjeljuje KC i PC.
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Razlika između "izvornog" kršćanstva i KC je u tome što se Kristova Crkva "nalazi u" (subsistit in) u KC, ali nije u opsegu identična s njom.
To jasno kaže i sama Katolička Crkva u svojoj dogmatskoj konstituciji o Crkvi LUMEN GENTIUM, ali kako svećenici ne proučavaju previše dokumente vlastite Crkve, zaborave se pa još govore kako izvan KC nema spasenja.

Ako se Isus Krist pogleda samo iz kuta filozofije kao Logos, to je dovoljno da bismo razumjeli kako svatko ima mogućnost biti uveden u izvorno kršćanstvo (malo mi je nejasan opseg toga pojma ovdje), putem milosti.
Ja vjerujem u sakramentalnu milost euharistije kako ju podjeljuje KC i PC.
jezuš, pitam se jel' sve to znala moja nonica kada je nedjeljom sa ostalim bakicama išla na mašu, jel' uopće to trebalo znati?????? ili samo otvorena srca doći na molitvu???????
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Razumijem tvoju perspektivu.. jer iz te perspektive i sam dolazim.. No nije tako. Biblija je doista Riječ Božja nama prenesena putem Duha Svetoga i očuvana Božjom voljom da ljudima do kraja ovoga svijeta bude dostupan izvor Istine.. izvor Spasenja.. Riječ.. Isus Krist.

Zar ne znate? Zar niste čuli?
Nije li vam odiskona otkriveno?
Zar niste shvatili tko zasnova zemlju?
On stoluje vrh kruga zemaljskoga
kom su stanovnici poput skakavaca.
Kao zastor nebesa je razastro,
kao šator za stan razapeo.
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Uoo . Ima tema za predstaviti se, koliko god vas ima.....
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jezuš, pitam se jel' sve to znala moja nonica kada je nedjeljom sa ostalim bakicama išla na mašu, jel' uopće to trebalo znati?????? ili samo otvorena srca doći na molitvu???????
ja ovdje ne govorim o iskustvu osobne vjere, već govorim sa aspekta službenog dogmatskog nauka Katoličke Crkve i to o pitanju postavljenomu u naslovu.

To je pitanje ekleziologije (teol.discipline o crkvi) i sukladno tome sam odgovorila.

Ne ulazim u spoznajna pitanja pojedine osobe i njene otvorenosti spasenju.
Barem ne, za sada.


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ja ovdje ne govorim o iskustvu osobne vjere, već govorim sa aspekta službenog dogmatskog nauka Katoličke Crkve i to o pitanju postavljenomu u naslovu.

To je pitanje ekleziologije (teol.discipline o crkvi) i sukladno tome sam odgovorila.

Ne ulazim u spoznajna pitanja pojedine osobe i njene otvorenosti spasenju.
Barem ne, za sada.
Da, no teološka disciplina sama po sebi bez čovjeka bi bila ...što?
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Da, no teološka disciplina sama po sebi bez čovjeka bi bila ...što?
čovjek jest na prvom mjestu i ja mu ne oduzimam prvenstvo jer sam duboko uvjerena da je antropološki put (duhovno iskustvo čovjeka spram transedencije) onaj koji prirodniji čovjeku...pa čak i u kontekstu gdje ne govorimo o prirodnim religijama, već o vjeri koja je utemeljena na objavljenoj Riječi.

No, u naslovu su postavljena dva koncepta ( izvorno kršćanstvo i kršćanstvo KC), stoga nije u direktnom fokusu promatranja čovjek, već praksa vjerujuće zajednice.

Suštinski se ne može pobjeći od čovjeka, ali kao što rekoh, htjela sam da ovdje ostane zabilježen službeni stav dogmatske teologije kako je tumači Katolička Crkva.

Dakle, samo produbljujem ono što je rekao Lopea.


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Vjerujem da se danas ne zna prava istina o postanku niti starosti zemlje ili sunčevog sustava, ali tvrditi da je ona stara svega 6000 godina mi je malo smiješno kad postoje toliko nedvosmisleni paleo i arheološki dokazi, karbo-mjerenja, slojevi i naslage u stijenama, dokazi promjene magnetnih polova (višestruke) u stijenama - a one se dešavaju svakih, lupit ću sad: 12500 ili 30000 godina ... kako to onda objasniti? Kako objasniti dinosauruse, kako objasniti hrpe monolitnih građevina dokazano mnogo starijih od 6000 godina, kako objasniti i drevne kulture poput feničana i sumerana, daleko starijih od kršćansta koje su itekako imale znanje fizike i matematike i astronomije - daleko veće nego civilizacije koje su živjele nekoliko tisuća godina nakon njih? Oni su definitivno znali, ne samo da je zemlja okrugla, nego i takve detalje koje je tek recentna znanost saznala...
Jest da je malo sa zakasnjenjem, ali samo jedna kraca (ili barem ne preopsirna) opaska s moje strane.

Jesam, jesi li ti pregledala snimak kompletno? Obrati paznju na pocetni argument gdje je navedena i recenica: "Current physical laws may not have governed the past". Dakle, aludira se da, ako je Bog stvarao Univerzum prije nekih 6000 godina i ako je to trajalo vrlo brzo, fizicki zakoni nisu mogli odgovarati danasnjim te ni sva naucna radiokarbonska mjerenja niti tvrdnje o promjenama magnetnih polova itd. sa uzimanjem u obzir sadasnjih fizickih zakona ne mogu biti tacni. Sto se dinosaurusa tice i to su objasnili u snimku. Tvrdi se da su iznenadno nestali zbog sveopsteg potopa koji je unistio sve u kratkom roku. A ne znam sta Fenicani i Sumeri, pa cak i krscani imaju s ovim. Podaci o nastanku kao i potopu iz biblije su od Israelicana. Sumerski narod je star nekoliko hiljada godina i prije Biblije su tvrdili dosta slicnih stvari sto i Biblija tvrdi.
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