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Ne slažem se. To uopće nije nužno povezano.

Može biti, ali sve na ovom svijetu može bit' a može i ne bit' - ovisi kako što doživljavamo i da li koristimo ili zloupotrebljavamo.

I naposljetku, ovisi i o tome da li nešto razumijemo.

Ne vidim zašto ne bih itekako mogla uživati u sadašnjosti i imati jaku vjeru? I nadu za čovječanstvo?

Kako uvijek govorim iz iskustva, tako mogu usporediti: prije i poslije.

Nikada nisam toliko intenzivno živjela u trenutku kao što to činim otkako sam ojačala vjeru, otkako osjećam Božju (i božansku ljubav).

Ona me uistinu oslobodila na način da se tek sada ne moram baviti ni prošlošću, ni budućnošću ... jer napokon, napokon - istinski (i na pravi način-kvalitetno) uživam u svom životu i slobodi.

Nada i vjera daju samo prividnu sigurnost jer veze nemaju s istinom.
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Man has throughout the ages been seeking something beyond himself, beyond material welfare - something we call truth or God or reality, a timeless state - something that cannot be disturbed by circumstances, by thought or by human corruption.

Man has always asked the question: what is it all about? Has life any meaning at all? He sees the enormous confusion of life, the brutalities, the revolt, the wars, the endless divisions of religion, ideology and nationality, and with a sense of deep abiding frustration he asks, what is one to do, what is this thing we call living, is there anything beyond it?

And not finding this nameless thing of a thousand names which he has always sought, he has cultivated faith - faith in a saviour or an ideal - and faith invariably breeds violence.

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Ful lijepo kada se izbace riječi vjera i nada

Kada se izbace riječi "vjera" i "nada" ni najmanje nije lijepo, gubi se sav smisao cjeline...


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Bogu je više stalo da nam podari svoje blagoslove nego nama da ih primamo.

Upravo u ovom trenutku mogu, ako želim, postati Božji prijatelj.

Ima nešto u poniznosti što čudesno uzvisuje srce.

Svladaj sebe i svijet će biti pod tvojim nogama.

Visoko su nebesa i nisko je zemlja. Milost silazi kad molitva uzlazi jer Bog čuje taj čovjekov glas.

Kad bi nam Bog bio shvatljiv, ne bi bio Bog.

Za sebe si nas, Gospodine, stvorio i nemirno je srce naše dok se ne smiri u Tebi.

Bilo što da pripovijedaš, čini to tako da onaj komu govoriš slušajući – vjeruje, vjerujući – nada se, i nadajući se – ljubi.

Prema Bogu ne idemo hodajući, nego ljubeći.

Povjeri prošlost Božjoj milosti, sadašnjost Njegovoj ljubavi, a budućnost Njegovoj providnosti.

‎Bog se počovječio, da se čovjek može pobožanstveniti.

Bože, od tebe se odvojiti znači pasti. K tebi se prikloniti znači ustati. U tebi ostati znači imati siguran oslonac.

Ovo je naša životna zadaća: radom i molitvom napredovati u milosti Božjoj dok ne postignemo onaj stupanj savršenosti u kojemu čista srca možemo gledati Boga.

U mjeri u kojoj ljubav u tebi raste, raste i tvoja ljepota, jer ljubav je ljepota duše.

Tko sam ne gori ljubavlju, ne može ljubavlju zapaliti drugoga.

Ne pričaj bližnjem o ljubavi: ljubi ga!

Ljudi putuju pa se dive visovima planina, divovskim valovima mora, dugim tokovima rijeka, širokim prostranstvu oceana, i kružnom pokretu zvijezda; a pored sebe prolaze i – ne čude se ničemu.

Ako šutiš – šuti iz ljubavi; ako govoriš – govori iz ljubavi; ako opominješ – opominji iz ljubavi; ako opraštaš – opraštaj iz ljubavi.

Ti si Bog moj, tebi uzdišem danju i noću… Kasno sam te uzljubio, Ljepoto, tako stara i tako nova. A eto, ti si bio u meni, a ja izvan sebe. Ti si bio sa mnom, a ja nisam bio s tobom. Zvao si me i vikao, probio si moju gluhoću. Zabljesnuo si, sijevnuo si i rastjerao moju sljepoću. Prosuo si miomiris, a ja sam ga upio pa uzdišem za tobom. Okusio sam ga pa gladujem i žeđam. Dotaknuo si me i ja gorim za mirom tvojim.


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Jedno je bojati se Boga zato što te može baciti u pakao zajedno s đavlom, a drugo je bojati se Boga, jer se on može odvojiti od tebe. Onaj strah, da te Bog može baciti u pakao zajedno s đavlom, nije još neokaljan, jer on ne proizlazi iz ljubavi prema Bogu, nego zbog straha od kazne. Ali, bojiš li se da će te Božja prisutnost napustiti, tada obuhvaćaš Boga, žudiš ga uživati i gledati.
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Primjetila sam da ljudi koji se boje pakla, pa onda čak i govore kako pakao ne postoji, su zapravo ljudi koji su uplašeni jer su počinili neki grijeh i svjesni su ga i lakše im je živjeti ako sami sebi kažu kako je priča o paklu priča za malu djecu. No to ne znači da je to stvarno istina nego se, kada smo u grijehu, a nemamo dovoljno vjere, mi sami pokušavamo zavarati na sve načine da možemo normalno živjeti, bez straha.

Čovjek ne bi trebao činiti dobra djela od straha od pakla bitno je činiti dobra djela s ljubavlju prema čovjeku. Onaj tko ljubi bližnjega, tko ljubi Boga i Isusa, tko shvaća kada je pogriješio i pokaje se i dobije odriješenje grijeha taj se pakla ne treba bojati.
Mi ljudi sami po sebi, koliko god željeli biti dobri i mislimo da to možemo svojim snagama, varamo se. Trebamo se moliti Bogu da nas učini boljima iz dana u dan, i od Isusa zamoliti da nam oprosti grijehe koje smo počinili i za koje se kajemo jer smo povrijedili Božju ljubav.
Čovjek nije Isus, nije bezgrešan. I Bog je svjestan toga, zato nam je poslao Isusa, on je Lijek za našu dušu i čisti sve naše nesavršenosti i unosi u nas život a koji gubimo sporo ili polako svakim našim grijehom.

Činimo dobro na ovom svijetu, ne iz straha, nego iz ljubavi prema Bogu i svima bližnjima. I budimo svjesni da će nas Isus kada god nešto zabrljamo, pokajemo se, očistiti. On liječi i tijelo i dušu. Na taj način čovjek priznaje pakao ali s vjerom u Isusa Krista i njegovo pročišćenje od grijeha pakao nas ne plaši (pod uvjetom da je kajanje za grijehe iskreno a ne ono:zao mi je ali imam namjeru sutra to ponoviti- to onda nema temelja za oproštenje grijeha)
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Man has throughout the ages been seeking something beyond himself, beyond material welfare - something we call truth or God or reality, a timeless state - something that cannot be disturbed by circumstances, by thought or by human corruption.

Man has always asked the question: what is it all about? Has life any meaning at all? He sees the enormous confusion of life, the brutalities, the revolt, the wars, the endless divisions of religion, ideology and nationality, and with a sense of deep abiding frustration he asks, what is one to do, what is this thing we call living, is there anything beyond it?

And not finding this nameless thing of a thousand names which he has always sought, he has cultivated faith - faith in a saviour or an ideal - and faith invariably breeds violence.

J. Krishnamurti
Koliko god mi je drag Krishnamurti - ovo nema veze s pameću i u ovoj rečenici je pokazao svoje puno nerazumijevanje pojma istinske vjere (iako sumnjam da je na to uopće mislio).

No, ako riječ "faith" u gornjoj rečenici zamijenimo s rječju "religion" ili "belief" - onda smo već bliže istini. Mislim da je on i ciljao na to, koliko poznajem njegovu riječ i filozofiju, samo je ovako izvađeno iz šireg konteksta malo nakaradno.

Vjera u Boga sama po sebi je čisti opozit nasilju, tko govori drugačije klanja se sasvim drugom gospodaru.


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Prema Bogu ne idemo hodajući, nego ljubeći.

U mjeri u kojoj ljubav u tebi raste, raste i tvoja ljepota, jer ljubav je ljepota duše.

Tko sam ne gori ljubavlju, ne može ljubavlju zapaliti drugoga.

Ne pričaj bližnjem o ljubavi: ljubi ga!


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Nada i vjera daju samo prividnu sigurnost jer veze nemaju s istinom.
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Vjera ovdje nije pojam tipa: vjerujem u leteće vjeverice, vilenjake i patuljke.

Vjera (barem pojam o kojem ja govorim) je više u smislu "povjerenje", znanje da je Bog uvijek dostupan ako mu se otvorimo i prepustimo, osjećaj potpunog povjerenja i prepuštanja višem dobru (sveobuhvatnoj, bezuvjetnoj Ljubavi i Mudrosti).

Treba ipak malo razmisliti o pojedinim pojmovima i njihovom dubljem značenju jer jezik je jako siromašan i često nije u stanju diferencirati i raditi fine nijanse, slijediti "ono što jest", ono što osjećamo i znamo i to precizno verbalizirati.


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Svi oni koji ne "ubiju" sve koncepte o Bogu neće upoznati ono što jest "Bog" i sve dok to ne učine i dalje će mu pripisivati razne osobine, imena i pridjeve, mane ili kvalitete, a koje sa "Bogom" nemaju ama baš nikakve veze.

Bog koji treba ostati na životu je onaj koji se ne zove riječju 'Bog', kojeg ne ograničavamo našim ograničenim leksikom i kojeg ne povlačimo po novinama, molitvama, psovkama ili salonskim raspravama sa obijesnim stavovima....

Bog ne može imati recept ili formulu pa tako ni naziv ili termin.

"kako ne-hrana može imati recept? ; ne može nešto što zauvijek nije i oduvijek jest biti obučeno u odjeću"

I zato kada kažeš "On" ili "bog" napravio si toliko grešaka koliko ih ne možeš izbrojati, a kada kažeš da nešto "On posjeduje" još i više....
"to" nije moćno ili nemoćno, svemogućno ili sveprisutno, To samo jest.
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