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Nepročitano 12-10-14, 08:48   #1
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Voljela bih započeti ovu temu s predavanjima Christophera Hutchinsa, autora knjige "bog nije velik" (autor sam piše bog malim slovom) u kojima iznosi vrlo snažne argumente protiv svih religija:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqjf...wUpb_XjK9cjiwq

Hutchens tvrdi da moral i etično ponašanje prethodi religijskom vjerovanju a ne obrnuto i da čovjek ima ugrađenu, odnosno urođenu savjest te stoga mu nije potrebna religija ni u kojem obliku.

Također, ponovno, skreće pozornost na sva zlodjela koje su crkve činile tijekom povijesti (pa čine još i danas) i upućuje na sveopće licemjerje koje okružuje i prati apsolutno svaki religijski pokret, svaku crkvu i vjersku instituciju.

U svojoj knjizi iznosi razmišljanja mnogih svjetski poznatih osoba, pisaca, filozofa i znanstvenika na temu religije.

Zapravo mi je fascinantno stajalište nekih zagovornika religije i crkvenih velikodostojnika koji svaki racionalni i kvalitetni argument kontra crkve i religije odbacuju kao zlobu, ali svaki svoj ma kako slabašan argument uzdižu na razinu dogme i nepogrešivosti, ma koliko licemjeran bio.

Također, sve što je upitno u bibliji, kuranu ili nekoj drugoj svetoj knjizi argumentiraju da se "ne smije doslovno shvatiti" ili "da se stiče pogrešan dojam zbog razlike u terminologiji do koje je došlo u prijevodima", ali ono što je relativno ok - to se smije doslovno shvatiti.

Pa, nije mi jasno da li je bog bio monoglota i zašto nije objavio svoju istinu jednostavno, izravno i nedvojbeno - tako da ga svatko razumije.

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Još je Freud govorio da će ljudi imati potrebu za religijom sve dok postoji strah od smrti.

Da li vam to išta govori? Meni, naime, kazuje sve. Religija je prisila naše psihe pod pritiskom straha u kojoj tražimo odgovore na stvari koje ne razumijemo i utjehu. I to je sve - nema tu nikakve mistike.


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Pozdrav Jesam ,,, koliko znam osobe na kojima počiva neka religija i nisu baš stvarale religiju u sadašnjem smislu riječi ,al ako čovjek prihvati da sve stvari idu u smjeru u kojem moraju ić onda i religija ima svoj smisao i početak i završetak. Osoba stvara utjehu na različite načine neko hodočasti neko ide u birtiju,neko nešto drugo. Mislim da smisao religija je da čovjek shvati da ne misli puno il da obrati pažnju na nešto što je drugačije od ist popit i sl....,:)
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Pozdrav Jesam ,,, koliko znam osobe na kojima počiva neka religija i nisu baš stvarale religiju u sadašnjem smislu riječi ,al ako čovjek prihvati da sve stvari idu u smjeru u kojem moraju ić onda i religija ima svoj smisao i početak i završetak. Osoba stvara utjehu na različite načine neko hodočasti neko ide u birtiju,neko nešto drugo. Mislim da smisao religija je da čovjek shvati da ne misli puno il da obrati pažnju na nešto što je drugačije od ist popit i sl....,:)
Ma štajaznam - pa to bi sve mogli i bez religija ... šta ne?

Ko da se čovjek ne bi sam sjetio razmišljat o drugim stvarima (kako tko, naravno - neki ne bi nikad ovaki i onako). Gladan razmišlja samo o tom kako će se najest, a sit ima fore razmišljat i o drugim stvarima. Ali ustrašen često nije u stanju uopće razmišljat zdravorazumski, jer ga u kreiranju svjetonazora vodi isključivo njegov strah.


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Različite religije pored svega gore opisanog dovode i do još više razilaženja i sukoba među ljudima, a efekte toga vidimo i danas.

Jaka pripadnost nekoj od religija dovodi do dehumanog ponašanja ...

Znači slika boga se stavlja ispred/iznad bilo kojeg drugog ljudskog bića. Takva umna tvorevina je nažalost uvjetovala sve povijesne religijozne ratove.
Isto tako gotovo sam siguran da bilo kojem vjerniku 'bog' naredi da pobije 100 ljudi on bi to učinio bez da trepne radi vlastitog spasenja...
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Ljudi svašta pričaju i pišu i svi mi svašta nailazimo kao na nešto relevantno ili ne. Da nema religija neka nema ,kao nešto bi bilo bolje neznam što ,neka nema država ,neka nema policije ,na kraju neka nema ni banki,ma neka nema ništa što mislite da koči čovika . Neka nema ,bez brige našli bi se drugi društveni problemi . Što bi htio reć ,nije problem ni u religiji ni u bankama ili tv,ili internetu, problem je u čovjeku koji je takav kakv je. Ljudima je urođeno da se bore makar i protiv nevidljivog neprijatelja nečeg čega nema ,da se bune da negoduju,da se dižu revolucije koje posle stvaraju svoje elite ,stare elite za nove elite i tako stoljećima . Ne kažem da se ne treba borit ili se je trebalo borit za nešto bolje al tražit probleme izvan sebe je čovjekov trik zavaravanje samog sebe .
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Licno religiju ne dozivljavam kao mjerilo bilo kakve vrjednosti. Vjerujem u jednoga Boga, stvoritelja svega. Vjerujem da Bog nije zamislio ovakav svjet, vjerujem da je Bog svima dao dva puta, da po slobodnoj volji izaberu kojim purtem da idu. Glas duha Bozijega ili savjest, kako to neki zovu je putokaz. Mnogi su zalutali bez tog putokaza. Kako je kazao Marks, religija je otrov za narod, na zalost to I jeste. Jedan ateista je izgleda bolje razumjeo svjet oko sebi, nego mnogi koji se izdaju za radnike na Bozijem putu. Organizovana religija nije nista drugo do obicna skupina srebroljubaca, hohstaplera, egoista I svih onih koji su nasli svoje bolesne ili pokvarene razloge da djeluju u ljudskim zajednicama I da djelima I ponasanjem ljude odvajaju I udaljuju od Boga. Tesko takvima u dane Bozijega suda. Oni koji sablazise ili sablaznjavaju nece dobiti milost Boziju.
U svim zajednicama sjede ljudi,ljudi koji promjenise zakone,ljudi koji izmjenjase Boziju rjec, ljudi koji falsifikovase povjest, ljudi koji ubijaju,ruse I pale zarad sebe I svojih niskih interesa.
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Jesam,ti bas volis ove teme koje postanu vatrene nakon par postova haha.
Paaa, ja volim razmjenjivati mišljenje o nekim bitnim temama, a kako nemam neke potrebe pričati o frizurama, cipelama ili umjetnim trepavicama, onda ostaju ove općeljudske teme koje naravno izazivaju dosta polemika.


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