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Nepročitano 28-04-15, 23:41   #21
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Nepročitano 28-04-15, 23:46   #22
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Lucifer je bio anđeo u Kraljevstvu Nebeskom, obasjan beskrajnom božjom ljubavi.
U jednom trenutku postaje nezadovoljan i odluči se suprostaviti Bogu.

1.Da bi se razumijelo priču prvo treba razumijeti što je Raj.
Raj je prije svega stanje sreće i zadovoljstva. Svaki vjernik želi biti sretan i zadovoljan u zagrobnom životu.
Kako je Lucifer u božjem svijetu sreće i zadovoljstva mogao biti nezadovoljan? Zar zadovoljstvo ne bi trebalo biti neupitno kad si u Kraljevstvu Nebeskom!?
Ako postoji mogućnost nezadovoljstva, onda Raj nije bitno drugačiji od života negdje drugdje.

2. Zamisli sad situaciju da imaš Oca koji je svemoćan, zna sve što si napravio, što radiš i što ćeš učiniti, stvorio je sve i odlučuje o životu i smrti.
Zamisli sad stvarnost situacije da usred Nirvane odlučuješ primiti svemoćnog Oca za vrat koji je o tome znao prije nego si i nastao.
Ne znam kako tebi ali meni ovo nema nikakvog smisla.


3. Slobodna volja.
Može se čuti da je zbog dozvoljene slobodne volje Luciferu omogućeno odvajanje od Boga. Ali to još dalje odvodi priču u apsurd.
Sloboda volje se povlači onda kada je ugrožena. Svjetlo prepoznajemo po tami.
Je li moguć Raj i sloboda izbora? Između čega trebaš birati?
Ako mogu birati u Raju onda to nije krajnja destinacija.
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Nastavio bih sa temom.

Pokušavam si posložiti misli kad razmišljam o konceptu Raja i Sotone.

Ne mogu opisat točno osjećaj ali u tom primjeru mi se u glavi pojavljuje slika pravila mjesta gdje se različitost ne trpi ni pod koju cijenu. Dolazi se čak do izbacivanja iz Raja zato što si nekome smetao.

Ta priča nagovješta da postoji mogućnost nezadovoljstva u Raju.
Ne samo da govori o nezadovoljstvu o Raju nego govori o mogućnosti nezadovoljstva sa Bogom. Nemojte zaboravit da Sotona nije bio čovjek već anđeo.
Koja je razlika između anđea i čovjeka? Anđeo neusporedivo bolje poznaje Boga. Oni su božji pismonoše i direktna veza.

Kako se moglo dogoditi da je direktna veza sa bogom obmanula?
Moji kriteriji Boga su da on Jeste. U tom smislu negiranje je kao kad bi negirao da je voda mokra. Negiranje je apsurdno.
Kako je onda moguće da se pojavljuje Sotona i negira da je voda mokra? Ne samo to nego stvara carstvo negiranja mokrosti vode?

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Nepročitano 29-04-15, 00:12   #24
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U kontekstu teme prethodni isječak je mudriji od ovoga.
Ovaj isječak odlično govori o naprednoj tehnici propagande. Ne znam da li time mislio o metafizičkom biću?


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Nepročitano 29-04-15, 00:30   #25
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Nastavio bih sa temom.

Pokušavam si posložiti misli kad razmišljam o konceptu Raja i Sotone.

Ne mogu opisat točno osjećaj ali u tom primjeru mi se u glavi pojavljuje slika pravila mjesta gdje se različitost ne trpi ni pod koju cijenu. Dolazi se čak do izbacivanja iz Raja zato što si nekome smetao.

Ta priča nagovješta da postoji mogućnost nezadovoljstva u Raju.
Ne samo da govori o nezadovoljstvu o Raju nego govori o mogućnosti nezadovoljstva sa Bogom. Nemojte zaboravit da Sotona nije bio čovjek već anđeo.
Koja je razlika između anđea i čovjeka? Anđeo neusporedivo bolje poznaje Boga. Oni su božji pismonoše i direktna veza.

Kako se moglo dogoditi da je direktna veza sa bogom obmanula?
Moji kriteriji Boga su da on Jeste. U tom smislu negiranje je kao kad bi negirao da je voda mokra. Negiranje je apsurdno.
Kako je onda moguće da se pojavljuje Sotona i negira da je voda mokra? Ne samo to nego stvara carstvo negiranja mokrosti vode?

Nije li to bizarno?
Vratnice raja

Vojnik po imenu Nobušige dođe kod Hakuina i zapita ga: “Postoje li doista raj i pakao?”
“Tko si ti?”, Upita Hakuin.
“Ja sam samuraj”, odgovori ratnik.
“Ti, vojnik!”, Uzviknu Hakuin. “Koji bi to vladar tebe htio za svog čuvara? Lice ti je kao u prosjaka.”
Nobušige se toliko razbjesne da poče da vadi svoj ​​mač, ali Hakuin nastavi: “Pa ti imaš mač! Oružje ti je vjerojatno previše tupo da bi mi odsjeklo glavu. “
Kada Nabušige izvuče mač, Hakuin primijeti: “Ovdje se otvaraju vratnice pakla!”
Na ove riječi samuraj, shvativši učiteljevu pouku, vrati svoj ​​mač u korice i pokloni se.

“Ovdje se otvaraju vratnice raja”, reče Hakuin.
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Vratnice raja

Vojnik po imenu Nobušige dođe kod Hakuina i zapita ga: “Postoje li doista raj i pakao?”
“Tko si ti?”, Upita Hakuin.
“Ja sam samuraj”, odgovori ratnik.
“Ti, vojnik!”, Uzviknu Hakuin. “Koji bi to vladar tebe htio za svog čuvara? Lice ti je kao u prosjaka.”
Nobušige se toliko razbjesne da poče da vadi svoj ​​mač, ali Hakuin nastavi: “Pa ti imaš mač! Oružje ti je vjerojatno previše tupo da bi mi odsjeklo glavu. “
Kada Nabušige izvuče mač, Hakuin primijeti: “Ovdje se otvaraju vratnice pakla!”
Na ove riječi samuraj, shvativši učiteljevu pouku, vrati svoj ​​mač u korice i pokloni se.

“Ovdje se otvaraju vratnice raja”, reče Hakuin.
Da, roditelji svoju djecu uče da ne tuku drugu djecu.

Usput, priča o Nobušigi i Hakuini je preglupa za djecu.


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Đavolji odvjetnik je baziran na Goetheovom Faustu. Pročitajte klasik ;-)
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Đavolji odvjetnik je baziran na Goetheovom Faustu. Pročitajte klasik ;-)
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