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Nepročitano 15-04-15, 14:08   #1
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Zadani Raj, slobodna volja, Pakao.

Lucifer je bio anđeo u Kraljevstvu Nebeskom, obasjan beskrajnom božjom ljubavi.
U jednom trenutku postaje nezadovoljan i odluči se suprostaviti Bogu.

1.Da bi se razumijelo priču prvo treba razumijeti što je Raj.
Raj je prije svega stanje sreće i zadovoljstva. Svaki vjernik želi biti sretan i zadovoljan u zagrobnom životu.
Kako je Lucifer u božjem svijetu sreće i zadovoljstva mogao biti nezadovoljan? Zar zadovoljstvo ne bi trebalo biti neupitno kad si u Kraljevstvu Nebeskom!?
Ako postoji mogućnost nezadovoljstva, onda Raj nije bitno drugačiji od života negdje drugdje.

2. Zamisli sad situaciju da imaš Oca koji je svemoćan, zna sve što si napravio, što radiš i što ćeš učiniti, stvorio je sve i odlučuje o životu i smrti.
Zamisli sad stvarnost situacije da usred Nirvane odlučuješ primiti svemoćnog Oca za vrat koji je o tome znao prije nego si i nastao.
Ne znam kako tebi ali meni ovo nema nikakvog smisla.


3. Slobodna volja.
Može se čuti da je zbog dozvoljene slobodne volje Luciferu omogućeno odvajanje od Boga. Ali to još dalje odvodi priču u apsurd.
Sloboda volje se povlači onda kada je ugrožena. Svjetlo prepoznajemo po tami.
Je li moguć Raj i sloboda izbora? Između čega trebaš birati?
Ako mogu birati u Raju onda to nije krajnja destinacija.


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1.Da bi se razumijelo priču prvo treba razumijeti što je Raj.
Raj je prije svega stanje sreće i zadovoljstva. Svaki vjernik želi biti sretan i zadovoljan u zagrobnom životu.
Ja želim biti sretna i u ovom životu i mislim da svi to žele, i vjernici i nevjernici (što god te definicije značile)... pustimo zagrobni, tko zna čega tamo ima ...

A ovo drugo ... jeste! Vječna pitanja na koja nema konkluzivnih odgovora. Samo nagađanja.


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Nepročitano 15-04-15, 15:21   #3
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Otvorio sam ovu temu na religiji da pričamo o Onom tamo.


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Otvorio sam ovu temu na religiji da pričamo o Onom tamo.
Aha! Onda nemam kaj za dodati jer nemam pojma kaj tam ima.

Imam samo hrpetinu pitanja i neke pretpostavke i teorije koje mi se mogu učiniti više ili manje logičnim / smislenima.


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Nepročitano 15-04-15, 16:14   #5
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Ma sve je to masti na volju.

Te religije, svaki vjernik neke religije vidi kako hoce ono u sto vjeruje. To je nesto tipa kad Lazarev trabunja. To sto govori je plod maste. Ne samo on vec mbogi drugi. Razvezu mastu i pricaju lijepo, pa ih ljudi prate. Svi oni imaju odgovore na vjecna pitanja, samo je pitanje dal je njihova masta proizvela bas tako kako je. Covjek pukne i ostane ziv, a i sretan i "velik" ako je slucajno njegova masta proizvela bas zamisao necega kako fakat i je.
Da se za boga ne kaze/vjeruje da je svemoguc nebi ga niko sljivio pol posto.
Ovako nas stvoritelj je dobar vrh morala i k tome svemoguc "uhh hvala bogu da nas cuva" par dana kasnije neko odapne "bog ga je htio kod sebe" a mozda dok je bio ziv otrovo mu psa i kresno zenu....
Ubiti ljudi trebaju shvatit da ni jedna religija nije realnost, nego da je tu samo da si ljudi olaksaju gubitak neke osobe, rjese se griznje savjesti i tako to.

Aj ti budi sretan i zadovoljan 2 metra pod zemljom u drvenom sanduku odjeven u najskartnije odjelo i papirnate cipele.

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Svi oni imaju odgovore na vjecna pitanja, samo je pitanje dal je njihova masta proizvela bas tako kako je.
Svi oni imaju odgovore na vječna pitanja ali njihova pitanja se ne tiču vječnosti. Isto kao što bajke o princu i princezi završavaju sa "i živjeli su sretno......", tamo gdje priča tek počinje.


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Svi oni imaju odgovore na vječna pitanja ali njihova pitanja se ne tiču vječnosti. Isto kao što bajke o princu i princezi završavaju sa "i živjeli su sretno......", tamo gdje priča tek počinje.
Pa hocu rec da su svi ti odgovori na pitanja izmisljotina ko i to dvoje, princ i princeza. Mozda je bas nekad/negdje bili dvoje kojima je bilo bas tako kao njima, samo onaj ko je napiso pricu to nezna, slucajno pogodio, a nije ni pogadjo, jednostavno tako izmislio

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Lucifer je bio anđeo u Kraljevstvu Nebeskom, obasjan beskrajnom božjom ljubavi.
U jednom trenutku postaje nezadovoljan i odluči se suprostaviti Bogu.

1.Da bi se razumijelo priču prvo treba razumijeti što je Raj.
Raj je prije svega stanje sreće i zadovoljstva. Svaki vjernik želi biti sretan i zadovoljan u zagrobnom životu.
Kako je Lucifer u božjem svijetu sreće i zadovoljstva mogao biti nezadovoljan? Zar zadovoljstvo ne bi trebalo biti neupitno kad si u Kraljevstvu Nebeskom!?
Ako postoji mogućnost nezadovoljstva, onda Raj nije bitno drugačiji od života negdje drugdje.

2. Zamisli sad situaciju da imaš Oca koji je svemoćan, zna sve što si napravio, što radiš i što ćeš učiniti, stvorio je sve i odlučuje o životu i smrti.
Zamisli sad stvarnost situacije da usred Nirvane odlučuješ primiti svemoćnog Oca za vrat koji je o tome znao prije nego si i nastao.
Ne znam kako tebi ali meni ovo nema nikakvog smisla.


3. Slobodna volja.
Može se čuti da je zbog dozvoljene slobodne volje Luciferu omogućeno odvajanje od Boga. Ali to još dalje odvodi priču u apsurd.
Sloboda volje se povlači onda kada je ugrožena. Svjetlo prepoznajemo po tami.
Je li moguć Raj i sloboda izbora? Između čega trebaš birati?
Ako mogu birati u Raju onda to nije krajnja destinacija.

Odlično sročeno,kratko i jednostavno.
Ovakva pitanja si većina vjernika odbija postaviti zato jer znaju da je cjela priča apsurdna ali lakše je živjeti u neznanju.
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Lucifer je najslabije shvaceni pozitivac svih vremena. Zove se Svjetlonosa jer donosi svjetlo, donosi istinu o Bogu Ocu covjecanstvu, opire se losoj hijerarhiji, opire se sluzavstvu energetski jakon entitetu, opire se pogledu na covjecanstvo kao manje vrijednim bicima. Donosi nam znanje, mudrost i snagu da kazemo ne, ja nisam tvoj rob.
cham, teza ti je odlicno koncipirana i tocna.

hail Lucifer, u svakom od nas. nek zivi onaj dio koji ce pasti radje nego se prikloniti trulom sistemu. prije ili kasnije ce se onaj koji je pao ponovo podignuti i jos jace pljunuti Bogu Ocu u licemjerno lice.
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