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i to je samo jos jedna misao..

nemoras se rjesiti misli.. dovoljno je da se sa njima ne identificiras.. zapitaj se.. postoji li netko svijestan ovih misli? to ce te prebaciti u ulogu promatraca.. svijesti koja svjedoci mislima.. onda si na putu, a sve ostalo je povijest


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To je nemoguće, a može da stvori i psihičke probleme. Podsvijest je preplavljena, um je taj koji je prazni i um radi 24 sata dnevno, ni jedne sekunde ne staje. U početku se ide na to da se um usmjeri u određenom pravcu. Vizuelizuju se neki pejzaži ili likovi, zavisi šta nam više odgovara, ili se razmišlja o nekim duhovnim stvarima, a kasnije se radi koncentracija ne određenu temu ili čakru, srce i sl. I tako se lagano ulazi u svoju unutrašnjost.

Treba zapamtiti da se meditacija ne može vježbati, ona dolazi spontano, sama po sebi, vježba se samo koncentracija. Meditacija počinje u trenutku kad se um rastače i postaje jedno sa predmetom koncentracije. A za to treba dosta vježbe.

Meditaciju se obavezno počinje dubokim opuštanjem. Opuštaju se svi djelovi tijela (ruke, noge, ramena, donja vilica, mišići lica...), a zatim se koncentriše na disanje i opuštanje disanja. Udah ide od pupka do grla, izdah od grla do pupka.

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"SAGOVORNIK: Šta predstavlja samospoznaja o kojoj govorite
i kako je mogu steći?

KRISHNAMURTI: Vi imate čudne ideje o samospoznaji; vi mislite da morate vežbati kako biste došli do samospoznaje, da morate meditirati, raditi svakakve stvari. Stvar je vrlo jednostavna, gospodine.

Prvi korak je poslednji korak u samospoznaji, početak je kraj. Prvi korak je bitan, zato što samospoznaja nije nesto sto možete naučiti od nekog drugog. Niko vas ne može naučiti samospoznaji; morate je sami otkritii ona mora biti vaše lično otkriće, a to otkriće nije nešto izuzetno, fantastično, nego nešto vrlo jednostavno.

Konačno, upoznati sebe znači posmatrati svoje ponašanje, svoje reči, kako se ponašate u svakodnevnim kontaktima, to je sve. Počnite sa tim i videćete kako je izvanredno teško biti svestan, samo posmatrati svoje ponašanje, reči koje upućujete svom slugi, svom šefu, stav koji zauzimate prema ljudima, idejama i stvarima.

Samo posmatrajte svoje misli, svoje motive u ogledalu odnosa i videćete da se u trenutku dok posmatrate javlja želja da korigujete; vi kažete: "Ovo je dobro, ono je loše, moram učiniti ovo, a ne ono."

Kada sebe vidite u ogledalu odnosa, primetićete da je vaš stav ili prihvatanje ili odbacivanje i da prema tome vi iskrivljujete ono što vidite. Međutim, ako jednostavno posmatrate u tom ogledalu svoj stav prema ljudima, idejama ili stvarima, ako samo vidite činjenice bez prosuđivanja, bez odbacivanja ili prihvatanja, tada ćete otkriti da je ta percepcija sama po sebi akcija.

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i to je samo jos jedna misao..

nemoras se rjesiti misli.. dovoljno je da se sa njima ne identificiras.. zapitaj se.. postoji li netko svijestan ovih misli? to ce te prebaciti u ulogu promatraca.. svijesti koja svjedoci mislima.. onda si na putu, a sve ostalo je povijest
Dragi moj Uoo, iznenadio si me, ali jako pozitivno!!!
upravo je u tome poenta, da se čovek odvoji od svih, napominjem svih misli i osećanja, i ne da ih odbaci, nego da ih posmatra, i klasifikuje, a tada da prihvati samo one koje mu odgovaraju ili želi. Naravno, to je jako, jako teško ostvariti, iako lako deluje u teoriji kada se izgovori. Um je jako složen, a čovek je u skladu sa scojim umom...
suština je biti iznad svog uma... mada deluje kao utopija, nije, već realnost...... iako jako teško ostvariva.

Jedan primer:ako ste jako tužni, pokušajte da ne prihvatate misli koje vem podstiču tu tugu, nego se okupirajte nekim zabavnim stvarima, i zaboravićete uzroke tuge, a tada emocije tuge više neće biti.. sve dok se ponovo ne aktiviraju misli koje nas podsećaju na to. Opet se javlja ona stara fraza, kako da se zabavljam, kada "moram da tugujem"... ili "to je jače od mene".......!

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Dragi moj Uoo, iznenadio si me, ali jako pozitivno!!!
upravo je u tome poenta, da se čovek odvoji od svih, napominjem svih misli i osećanja, i ne da ih odbaci, nego da ih posmatra, i klasifikuje, a tada da prihvati samo one koje mu odgovaraju ili želi. Naravno, to je jako, jako teško ostvariti, iako lako deluje u teoriji kada se izgovori. Um je jako složen, a čovek je u skladu sa scojim umom...
suština je biti iznad svog uma... mada deluje kao utopija, nije, već realnost...... iako jako teško ostvariva.

Jedan primer:ako ste jako tužni, pokušajte da ne prihvatate misli koje vem podstiču tu tugu, nego se okupirajte nekim zabavnim stvarima, i zaboravićete uzroke tuge, a tada emocije tuge više neće biti.. sve dok se ponovo ne aktiviraju misli koje nas podsećaju na to. Opet se javlja ona stara fraza, kako da se zabavljam, kada "moram da tugujem"... ili "to je jače od mene".......!
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tako je.. u zdravom slucaju um je alat svijesti.. a ne obrnuto.. :) i zbilja to nije nista tesko ako je covjek u svojoj namjeri zbilja iskren..

samo treba jasno naznaciti da za istinski biti svijestan treba vidjeti i onoga koji "klasifikuje".. posto je i on sam samo puka misao..
a i one misli koje prihvatimo moraju biti osvijestene.. jer ako ih prihvatimo na nacin da se sa njima identificiramo vrlo brzo postati ce nas tamnicar.. i patnja.. bez obzira sto nas te sekunde mozda usrecuju.. i zlatni kavez je ipak samo kavez.. a identifikacija je siguran put u to oduzimanje slobode i izdvajanje iz boga.. ili univerzalne ljubavi.. kako tko voli to percipirati vec.. :)

dakle samo svijesno.. jer i najljepsa motorna pila je ipak samo alat.. i nikako nebi trebala voditi glavnu rijec o tome sta ce se pilit a sta ne..


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