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Nepročitano 11-09-11, 19:43   #11
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Kad sam bila trudna, u čekaoni sam sjedila do tete u pedesetim, koja mi je rekla da je upravo došla napraviti pobačaj. Deveti. Ima dvoje djece, i to joj je dosta. Tablete - nemaju para da troše na te gluposti, a muž ne želi koristiti kondom.

Ti si rekao svaka žena, a žene u različitim, čak jako teškim iskustvima odnosa s muškarcem, ostaju trudne.
Mislim da ipak svaki pobačaj, kao i neželjeno iskustvo začeća, ostavlja trag s kojim se teško nositi.


WinniePooh, nadam se da ćete pomoći mnogima. Ja sam iz BiH, i mogu pomoći sa potrepštinama za mame i djecu, ukoliko se neko odavdje javi.

Hvala ti puno na potpori,lijepo je znati da nas je više,iz dana u dan nastojim pomoći kojoj god ženi treba ,bilo savjetom ili kako god je moguće,i sama sam majka prekrasne 11-mjesečne curice i u iščekivanju još jednog malog maminog blaga tako da sam ponosna ako netko odustane od tako nečeg i osjeti nešto tako lijepo..

Lijepo te molim ako ikako uspiješ nekako skupiti neke robice ili bilo što,organizirat ćemo transport i pomoći ženama koje nemaju..od srca hvala


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sigurno je divno biti mama to je neka neponovljiva ljubav
Zaista je,to je pravi Božji dar..budeš to vidjela jednog dana ako Bog da..od srca ti to želim


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Hvala ti puno na potpori,lijepo je znati da nas je više,iz dana u dan nastojim pomoći kojoj god ženi treba ,bilo savjetom ili kako god je moguće,i sama sam majka prekrasne 11-mjesečne curice i u iščekivanju još jednog malog maminog blaga tako da sam ponosna ako netko odustane od tako nečeg i osjeti nešto tako lijepo..

Lijepo te molim ako ikako uspiješ nekako skupiti neke robice ili bilo što,organizirat ćemo transport i pomoći ženama koje nemaju..od srca hvala



Imaš fondaciju Mama Cash, daju podršku projektima kojima se pomaže ženama, ukoliko za neke aktivnosti trebate sredstva. Čak ih daju i neformalnim grupama.

Važi, imam dvije vreće odjeće za djete od 2 - 4 god. (koje su čekale da budu poklonjene) pa mi se javi na pp za slanje.


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Nepročitano 11-09-11, 20:06   #15
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Chameleon,ja sam sigurna da svaka žena prije ili kasnije ,ako ima imalo savijesti požali što je tako nešto učinila,jer biti majka i osjetiti ljubav koju ti to dijetešce daje,to je nešto što se nemože mjeriti sa ničime u životu.Nikoga ne osuđujem ,nego samo želim malo potaknuti žene na razmišljanje prije nečeg tako strašnog,jer danas stvarno postoje kontracepcijska sredstva kojima se može spriječiti neželjena trudnoća(imali para ili ne,kod socijalnog ginekologa ta ista žena koja je 9 put otišla na pobačaj mogla je zatražiti da joj stave spiralu)no ne lakše je napraviti pa .....
Kako može jedna 18-ogodišnjakinja biti svijesna toga što znači osjetiti ljubav koju ti to djetešće daje?

Ipak bi trebala barem imati bar jedno dijete sa kojim je to već osjetila.
A nisam siguran niti u to da sve majke osjećaju iskreno blagodati djeteta koje spominješ. To ne mora značiti da ne vole svoju djecu nego svakodnevni život, obaveze i brige oko djeteta čitavo vrijeme odvode pažnju roditelja na brige i probleme umjesto na detalje koji zazivaju radost u druženju sa djetetom.

Osobno mi se ne sviđa ideja vađenja živog bića iz utrobe žene i bacanje u smeće.
Ali nemam sretnog riješenja za neke zaista teške životne situacije u kojima se žene znaju naći a dijete ne bi imalo nikakve životne uvjete zajedno sa roditeljima.

Ne znam. Teška je tema.


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Ja volim djecu i djeca vole mene, imam super odnos s njima.

Ipak, mišljenja sam da se neželjeno dijete ne treba roditi... jer je tako bolje za njega.
U SAD-u je povučena jako zanimljiva paralela između legalizacije pobačaja sedamdesetih i pada kriminala između osamdesetih i devedesetih.
Do pada kriminala je došlo jer se djeca koja su u to doba trebala postati kriminalci, jednostavno nisu rodila... (Frikonomija, Levvit)

No, lako je tuđim k.. po koprivama... ako nekome treba pomoć - slobodno mi se obrati!
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A što se priča u duhovnim krugovima po pitanju pobačaja?

Točnije, kako se pobačaj odražava na suptilnijim sferama duha i duše?


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Ja volim djecu i djeca vole mene, imam super odnos s njima.

Ipak, mišljenja sam da se neželjeno dijete ne treba roditi... jer je tako bolje za njega.
U SAD-u je povučena jako zanimljiva paralela između legalizacije pobačaja sedamdesetih i pada kriminala između osamdesetih i devedesetih.
Do pada kriminala je došlo jer se djeca koja su u to doba trebala postati kriminalci, jednostavno nisu rodila... (Frikonomija, Levvit)

No, lako je tuđim k.. po koprivama... ako nekome treba pomoć - slobodno mi se obrati!
Super, kad budem imao djete dat ću ga tebi na čuvanje dok se idem izdivljat na party-u


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Chameleon,ja sam sigurna da svaka žena prije ili kasnije ,ako ima imalo savijesti požali što je tako nešto učinila,jer biti majka i osjetiti ljubav koju ti to dijetešce daje,to je nešto što se nemože mjeriti sa ničime u životu.Nikoga ne osuđujem ,nego samo želim malo potaknuti žene na razmišljanje prije nečeg tako strašnog,jer danas stvarno postoje kontracepcijska sredstva kojima se može spriječiti neželjena trudnoća(imali para ili ne,kod socijalnog ginekologa ta ista žena koja je 9 put otišla na pobačaj mogla je zatražiti da joj stave spiralu)no ne lakše je napraviti pa .....
Koliko spirala košta?
A koliko pobačaj?
S druge strane kad se već desi neželjena trudnoća, zašto sav teret pada na ženu. I teret odluke i odgovornost odluke? Kakva god ona bila.
Zamislite studenticu kojoj se i pored spirale desi trudnoća. Ima slučajeve. Moja šefica je preko spirale ostala trudna odlučila roditi, ali ima muža, situirana je i iako vjerujem da odluka nije bila jednostavna imala je podršku.
Ali zamislite studenticu.
Odlučila je roditi. Nema više privilegija studentskog doma, to je praktički neizvodivo. Neizvjesnost zaposlenja poslije toga. Ima li podršku roditelja? I ako ima svejedno njen život se mijenja.
S druge strane zamislite da taj student prihvaća djete ali ne želi živjeti u zajednici s tim djetetom i budućom majkom. Koliko se njemu život mijenja? Mjenja se, ali razmislite u kolikom postotku.
A zamislite tu istu studenticu koja se odluči za pobačaj. Koliko joj i bez grižnje savjesti ostaje straha za buduće trudnoće i zdravlje (koje nam je složićete se najbitnije). Koliko joj pitanja ostaje treba li joj nastavak takve veze? I koliko još odluka vezano za to ona mora doneti. A koliko on bez obzira kakav stav imao o tome.
Ne osuđujem nikoga. Naročito ne zbog toga što se rodio kao muško ili žensko.
Stvari su takve kakve jesu.
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Koliko spirala košta?
A koliko pobačaj?
S druge strane kad se već desi neželjena trudnoća, zašto sav teret pada na ženu. I teret odluke i odgovornost odluke? Kakva god ona bila.
Zamislite studenticu kojoj se i pored spirale desi trudnoća. Ima slučajeve. Moja šefica je preko spirale ostala trudna odlučila roditi, ali ima muža, situirana je i iako vjerujem da odluka nije bila jednostavna imala je podršku.
Ali zamislite studenticu.
Odlučila je roditi. Nema više privilegija studentskog doma, to je praktički neizvodivo. Neizvjesnost zaposlenja poslije toga. Ima li podršku roditelja? I ako ima svejedno njen život se mijenja.
S druge strane zamislite da taj student prihvaća djete ali ne želi živjeti u zajednici s tim djetetom i budućom majkom. Koliko se njemu život mijenja? Mjenja se, ali razmislite u kolikom postotku.
A zamislite tu istu studenticu koja se odluči za pobačaj. Koliko joj i bez grižnje savjesti ostaje straha za buduće trudnoće i zdravlje (koje nam je složićete se najbitnije). Koliko joj pitanja ostaje treba li joj nastavak takve veze? I koliko još odluka vezano za to ona mora doneti. A koliko on bez obzira kakav stav imao o tome.
Ne osuđujem nikoga. Naročito ne zbog toga što se rodio kao muško ili žensko.
Stvari su takve kakve jesu.
Samo želim skrenuti pozornost koliko podrške treba ženama u takvim situacijama bez obzira na odluku
Stvar nije jednoznačna. Ne treba stavljati ruku u vatru ni za jednu opciju a priori sve dok se bolje ne razmotre okolnosti i pokuša ponuditi neko realno tj. primjenjivo riješenje koje ne bi dodatno naštetilo nesretnoj ženi.


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