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Nepročitano 12-09-11, 09:02   #21
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Stvar nije jednoznačna. Ne treba stavljati ruku u vatru ni za jednu opciju a priori sve dok se bolje ne razmotre okolnosti i pokuša ponuditi neko realno tj. primjenjivo riješenje koje ne bi dodatno naštetilo nesretnoj ženi.
Kao što si rekao
Tema je vrlo teška...vrlo vrlo teška
Ali to ne znači da nam ovakve teme ne trebaju.




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covjek je postao maliciozan, ali ne i nezeljen fetus planeta..

treba li pobaciti? treba li nas pobaciti?

pitamo li nasu majku njen odgovor je prihvacanje svih i svega bez obzira na uvjete, pa i njenu vlastitu smrt radi "degenericnog razvoja fetusa"..


no sve su samo lekcije.. tko zna.. mozda pobaceni danas su nekada uzrokovali pobacaje.. i ovim pobacajem njih samih im je ukazana milost da na taj nacin razrjese tesku karmu proslosti.. iz te perspektive vlastitim pobacajem su odradili ono sto su trebali na ovoj poljani..


nema gresaka i nema slucajnosti.. nista nije izgubljeno i sve je bas onako kako treba biti.. no to necemo shvatiti razumom, vec samo mozemo prihvatiti i osjetiti srcem


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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covjek je postao maliciozan, ali ne i nezeljen fetus planeta..

treba li pobaciti? treba li nas pobaciti?

pitamo li nasu majku njen odgovor je prihvacanje svih i svega bez obzira na uvjete, pa i njenu vlastitu smrt radi "degenericnog razvoja fetusa"..


no sve su samo lekcije.. tko zna.. mozda pobaceni danas su nekada uzrokovali pobacaje.. i ovim pobacajem njih samih im je ukazana milost da na taj nacin razrjese tesku karmu proslosti.. iz te perspektive vlastitim pobacajem su odradili ono sto su trebali na ovoj poljani..


nema gresaka i nema slucajnosti.. nista nije izgubljeno i sve je bas onako kako treba biti.. no to necemo shvatiti razumom, vec samo mozemo prihvatiti i osjetiti srcem

Ne znam stvarno što bi rekla. Toliko su mi podjeljeni i zbrkani osjećaji o svemu tome da nekad mislim ovako nekad onako.
Može čovjek samo se nadati da je to neka karma ali teško se nositi s tim




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A što ja imam od toga da "znam" kako mi je sudbina odraditi kaznu za neki grijeh iz prošlog života!?

U tom slučaju mogu samo dić sve četiri u zrak i kriviti boga što je postavio takva pravila igre ili se javiti nekom duhovnjaku koji obećaje da karate potezom prekida karmičku kaznenu vezu.


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Ova tema je i više nego kompleksna.

Jedno je kada nisu u braku nema financijsku podršku ni od staraca, a kamoli od dečka skime je zatrudijela preko noći. Morate priznati da nemožemo svima pomoći pogotovo u finacijskom smislu jer ni sami nestojimo baš najbolje s novcima. Sjetite se da samo u ovoj RH državi ima bar 400 000 nezaposlenih što registriranih i što neregistriranih. A do posla je jako teško doći, čak gledajući dugoročno niti nevidimo da ćemo tako brzo izaći iz ove krize.
Naša Jaca samo polaže kamen temeljce, a od svega toga ništa jer nisu svi baušelci niti će ikad moći biti, jer neki uopće nisu niti sposobni za tako nešto.

Drugo je ako su u braku, pa ajd nebu propao svijet za još jedno dijete pritom nemislim da sad imaju poredu 7-8 djece i žive od socijale, jer je to za mene već nenormalno pretijerivanje. Pošto djecu treba odškolovati i do faksa ako ono bude to želilo, no kao što znamo faks se plaća.


Po meni je bolje imati samo jedno, dvoje ili troje djece i uspijeti ih odškolovati s faksom, nego imati 7-8 djece koja nebudu nikad vidjela faks. Zbog loše finacijske podrške iako bar njih recimo polovica mogli bi i žele završiti faks sve u roku, kako bi se što bolje zaposlilo.



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Samo prvo dijete zbog koga se i ulazi u brak može, u današnjim vremenima, biti neplanirano. Sva ostala se, koliko god ih želili, moraju planirati odgovorno, što obzirom na bezbrojne metode zaštite u današnje vrijeme ne bi trebao biti problem. Mladoj, nespremnoj, nezreloj djevojci je imati djete neželjenom trudnoćom strašni teret bez obzira ima li ili nema podršku okoline. Krivnju ima ako ga ne želi a okolina ga prihvaća, krivnju ima ako ga ne može imati.... Već sama neželjena trudnoća uzrokuje velike traume, bez obzira da li će se dijete roditi ili ne. Naravno, u mnogome ovisi i kako žena gleda na trudnoću....ima ih prilični broj kojima pobačaj ne predstavlja ništa.
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osim pobacaja postoji jos puno slicnih i teskih stvari.. poput djece koja umiru od gladi, cjepiva koja ubiju dio onoga sto covjek jest, mucenja i zlostavljanja ljudi.. itd itd..

egu se lako identificirat sa "borbom protiv toga".. ali time svoju energiju kanaliziramo u sam problem.. i to sa vibracijom borbe koja ne pomaze njegovom razrjesenju vec doprinosi problemu..

djelujuci iz svjesti mozemo vidjet pozadinu problema, a time ce nam i rjesenje biti jasno..

kako ono kaze albert ajnstajn cinimise.. problem nemoze bit rjesen na istoj razini svijesti na kojoj je nastao..

dakle ako vam je uistinu stalo.. maknite ego borbe postrani i ukljucite se svjesno u svoju okolinu jer na taj nacin mozete mjenjati cijeli svijet na bolje..


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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Drage moje djevojke,žene ,majke ,trudnice i sve koje ste barem na trenutak pomislile na ovaj očajni potez,zbog vas ali i zbog sebe koja se borim protiv toga (kroz udrugu) otvaram ovu temu na forume..u nadi da ćemo razgovorom rješit barem nekako ovaj problem radi kojeg bi žalile cijeli život..
Do sada niste nigdje dali informaciju o kojoj se udruzi radi, niti kako se financira, gdje djeluje.......koji program ima......ima jako puno očajnih djevojaka( i još očajnijih žena....)
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A evo i mali doprinos ovoj temi , članak o pobačaju i spiritualnim posljedicama.

http://www.tomislavbudak.com/hr/napr...osljedice.html


Žene koje odluče zadržati bebicu već se nekako snađu za materijalno( robica, kolica, potrepštine za bebu).

Problem je u sustavu u kojem se odgajaju djeca od najmanje dobi. Sva potrebna znanja o seksualnosti djeca bi trebala dobiti u roditeljskom domu, a nadogradnja bi trebao biti seksualni odgoj u školi. No kako i sami roditelji imaju sami sa sobom 'posla' po tom pitanju( seks je tabu tema ), sve je više maloljetnih djevojaka u trudnoći. U cijeloj toj priči sva odgovornost se svaljuje na žensku populaciju, muška populacija ' se ne bi štela mešati'.
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Nadam se da će se ovdje ili u inbox javiti žene kojima je potrebna pomoć,bilo savjetom ili pomoć za skrb dijeteta zbog kojeg odustane od pobačaja neka se slobodno javi..i napravit ću sve što je u mojoj moći..obećajem

Što je tragičnije za jednu ženu: odlučiti se na pobačaj i patiti cijeli život ili dati dijete na usvajanje i patiti cijeli život( još je gora solucija u kojoj socijalna skrb oduzme dijete iz razloga nemogućnosti odgajanja i uzdržavanja).
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