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Nepročitano 26-01-12, 08:26   #11
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A da li bi radila, recimo u Njemackoj, kao pastoralni suradnik?
Sada je to neki novi poziv i bas sam mislila na tebe kada je kod nas dosao gospodin sa zenom i dvoje djece i radi pri misiji .
Radila bih, ali ne sa motivacijom u obliku nadilaženja hrvatskog društva, već kao čovjek koji se otvara prema drugome u ljubavi kojoj je početak u Bogu, a kao takva nadilazi sva društva i sociološke grupe.

No, u tom otvaranju, ja nosim sa sobom i vrednotu domoljublja koje mi može pomoći u poštovanju digniteta čovjeka i društva koje je različito od moga polazišnog.

Jedno je sigurno--povratak svome korijenu i kontekstu, u mome osobnom slučaju, nije moguće prekinuti.To je moja vrijednosna konstanta.

Ipak, ostavljam pitanje otvorenim...unatoč ovome razmišljanju.


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Lijepo je 'rasti tamo gdje si posađen' , no uvijek se družiš sa 'svojima', svojom duhovnom obitelji koja uopće nemora biti na teritoriju na kojem si rođen ili proveo djetinjstvo.

Osoba zna dovoljno svjetskih jezika , pa uopće nema dileme hoće li moći komunicirati tamo vani, gdje god da to bilo.

Ono što ja osjećam čitajući ovaj članak je velika ogorčenost, krutost i fiksiranost, koja je samo simptom otpora na promjene prema kojima je život gura.

I , ono što u momentu izgleda kao veliki bed i katastrofa, samo je stav i percepcija situacije, oni koji 'slijede tanku crvenu nit', i 'čitaju znakove na putu', sve mogu promijeniti, naravno, onako kako im odgovara.

Ova osoba samo treba dozvoliti .........i prepustiti se.......
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Simona, koji to znak na putu bi osoba trebala pročitati, obzirom da godinama traži posao i poslala je stotine molbi?
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Simona, koji to znak na putu bi osoba trebala pročitati, obzirom da godinama traži posao i poslala je stotine molbi?
Vidim da si ful prizemljen, to je ok. Ja govorim o sebi, ne o toj osobi ili nekoj drugoj. Jer za druge nemogu znati, samo za sebe. To što sam napisala je moja pecepcija.

Ali....ako već pitaš, ako nešto uporno radiš i ne polučuje rezultate, treba se zapitati zašto, i promijeniti ....nešto.........
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Simona, ne dovodim u pitanje da svatko ima svoj izbor, daleko od toga. Tako da, tvoj izbor je tvoj, no u ovom slučaju pričamo o konkretnoj osobi koja je napisala ovo pismo. E sad, ona je nešto uporno radila i to nije polučilo rezultate. Dapače, njezin cilj je bio realan, jer budimo realni, da je završila frizersku, teško bismo se složili da je ostvariv cilj da postane astronautkinja, ne?! Ok, kao što rekoh, nakon toliko upornosti i odbijenih molbi, odlučila je da ode odavde. Kako mi znamo da joj Sudbina nije baš namijenila da u životu otiđe raditi u Kanadu, zaposli se, uda, rodi sedmero djece i ostari sretna, uz dvadesetoro unučadi?
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Simona, ne dovodim u pitanje da svatko ima svoj izbor, daleko od toga. Tako da, tvoj izbor je tvoj, no u ovom slučaju pričamo o konkretnoj osobi koja je napisala ovo pismo. E sad, ona je nešto uporno radila i to nije polučilo rezultate. Dapače, njezin cilj je bio realan, jer budimo realni, da je završila frizersku, teško bismo se složili da je ostvariv cilj da postane astronautkinja, ne?! Ok, kao što rekoh, nakon toliko upornosti i odbijenih molbi, odlučila je da ode odavde. Kako mi znamo da joj Sudbina nije baš namijenila da u životu otiđe raditi u Kanadu, zaposli se, uda, rodi sedmero djece i ostari sretna, uz dvadesetoro unučadi?
Zar je uopće važno što mi mislimo ili ne mislimo o konkretno toj osobi?
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Lijepo je 'rasti tamo gdje si posađen' , no uvijek se družiš sa 'svojima', svojom duhovnom obitelji koja uopće nemora biti na teritoriju na kojem si rođen ili proveo djetinjstvo.

Osoba zna dovoljno svjetskih jezika , pa uopće nema dileme hoće li moći komunicirati tamo vani, gdje god da to bilo.

Ne živim u Hrvatskoj, ali to nije ni bitno. Ovo je apsolutno tačno simona, barem za mene. Već par godina sam u stand-by fazi da odmah odem negde gde nema svega ovoga čega "ovde" ima.
Sa svojim dobrim engleskim, ali i načinom komunikacije i otvorenošću za nove vidike, a bez poveza na očima, mogu živeti u pola zemalja sveta, bez problema. Ja niti bežim, niti žurim negde, samo želim promene na bolje.

meni je teže da prihvatim da neko može provesti ceo život u nekom selu ili gradu, a da ne poželi da ode negde dalje, gde je drugačije, i gde nije bio.. nego da odem i da živim, a ne da imitiram život.. i to loš život.
I tu ne mislim na novac, jer ga imam dovoljno, mislim na sve ono ostalo...

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Zar je uopće važno što mi mislimo ili ne mislimo o konkretno toj osobi?
U redu, mogu i ja relativizirati. Zar je uopće važno što ti misliš ili ne misliš o konkretno toj osobi?
U svakom slučaju, bilo to tebi važno ili nevažno, zašto misliš da bi to trebalo druge ljude interesirati? Ili, čemu uopće se javljaš na temu, obzirom da postavljaš stvar tako da tuđa mišljenja ionako ne bi trebala biti važna konkretno toj osobi? Odakle ti uopće pretpostavka da toj konkretnoj osobi naša mišljenja nisu važna, obzirom da je napisala javno pismo, pa je valjda vidljivo da je željela podijeliti svoje teškoće s drugima?
Kažeš da vidiš ogorčenost, krutost i fiksiranost i da je to stvar percepcije. Stvarno perceptivno sa tvoje strane!
Također si konstatirala da bi ta konkretna osoba trebala nešto promijeniti ako stalno bez uspjeha radi nešto na isti način. Na stranu što je čitava ova rasprava krenula pismom te konkretne osobe, u kojem kaže kako je odlučila promijeniti stvari tako što odlazi iz Hrvatske.
Na stranu i to što kažeš "Ova osoba samo treba dozvoliti .........i prepustiti se....... " a zatim kažeš "Ja govorim o sebi, ne o toj osobi ili nekoj drugoj".

No dobro, moje mišljenje ti ionako ne bi trebalo biti važno.

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Ne živim u Hrvatskoj, ali to nije ni bitno. Ovo je apsolutno tačno simona, barem za mene. Već par godina sam u stand-by fazi da odmah odem negde gde nema svega ovoga čega "ovde" ima.
Sa svojim dobrim engleskim, ali i načinom komunikacije i otvorenošću za nove vidike, a bez poveza na očima, mogu živeti u pola zemalja sveta, bez problema. Ja niti bežim, niti žurim negde, samo želim promene na bolje.

meni je teže da prihvatim da neko može provesti ceo život u nekom selu ili gradu, a da ne poželi da ode negde dalje, gde je drugačije, i gde nije bio.. nego da odem i da živim, a ne da imitiram život.. i to loš život.
I tu ne mislim na novac, jer ga imam dovoljno, mislim na sve ono ostalo...
Ustvari, ti nemaš egzistencijalnih problema poput ove konkretne osobe iz uvodnog posta.
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