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Nepročitano 10-03-09, 21:51   #1
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S obzirom na to, da je moje spominjanje toga, da pijem kravlje mlijeko izazvalo burne reakcije od strane mnogih članova foruma, otvaram novu temu u kojoj ćemo se raspraviti o tome, da li je humano piti kravlje mlijeko i zašto je to tako.

Ovdje sam premjestila već postojeće postove iz drugih tema.

Također otvorena je nova tema „Kravlje mlijeko – zdravo ili štetno?“ za rasprave o tome, da li je kravlje mlijeko štetno za naše zdravlje.

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Draga Ramya108 verujem da je čovek jedina životinja koja sisa druge životinjske vrste pod izgovorm da je to jako korisno za nas. U prirodi još nisam videla slučaj da još neki pripadnik sisara koristi mleko od neke druge na pr: da majmun sisa slonicu ili koza ovcu...
Majčino mleko bi trebalo da se koristi samo za prehranu doječandi dok ne porastu dovoljno da mogu da koriste drugu hranu.
Mleko ne koristim jer ono kod mene izaziva grčeve i pojavu sluzi u rekordnom roku kao i kod Lupia...
Takođe, hemiski sastav ljudskog i kravljeg mleka nije isti. Enzimi koji su nam neophodni za razlaganje mleka prilikom probave su renin i laktaza i kod većine ljudi oni se gube iz organizma oko treće godine života u potpunosti. Osim ovog tu je i kvaka sa kazeinom (kojeg ima u svakoj vrsti mleka) samo što ga u kravljem ima 300% više nego u ljudskom. Logično, kravlje kosti su mnooogo veće od naših. Kazein se koaguliše u želudcu i formira velike tvrde i guste ugruške koji su prilagođeni četrvorostomačnom probavnom sistemu krave. Kad se nađe unutar našeg organizma kazein zahteva veliku količinu energije prilikom probave u telu, a nešto od ove gnjecave sustance tom prilikom otvrdnjava i zadržava se na sluznici creva pa otuda i osećaj letargije i neizbežni mukus koji se skladišti u telu kao nusproizvod varenja mleka. Kazein se inače koristi u stolarskoj industriji i važi za jedan od najjačih lepkova u toj branši...
Poznati američki endokrinolog Dr Norman Voker se bavio istraživanjem ove problematike preko pola veka i došao do zanimljivih otkrića koji govore u prilog ovome, a zanimljivo je i izlaganje Harvija Dajmonda, , Samuela Bisera i mnoguh drugih koji su iskoračili iz okvira klasične medicine i prižili ruku ka alternativnom načinu života i prirodnoj higijeni kao dobrom pristupu nezi i održavanju zdravlja ljudskog tela.
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Kada sam bila mala pila sam velike količine mleka. Međutim, sada, pijem ga mnogo manje jer mi smeta, nadima mi stomak! Ali i dalje volim da ga pijem, bar ponekad!
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Ja se slažem s tim. Farmaceutska industrija vodi konstantan rat protiv alternativne medicine, uključujući i homeopatiju. Na internetu postoji gomila članaka, koji omalovažavaju homeopatiju i svaku drugu prirodnu metodu liječenja. Kakva šteta!

Mislila sam na pripravke, zbog kojih se životinje ubijaju ili maltretiraju.
Mužnja krava je otimanje mlijeka teletu...i to je vid maltretiranja...

Govoriti nekome da nije u pravu što jede meso ili koristi nešto s čime se mi ne slažemo je maltretiranje, nasilje...

Reći ja sam vegetarijanac, ne znači uopće da sam dobra osoba, mogu u sto drugih stvari biti nasilan...

Možemo samo reći, za mene je to i to dobro i ok...ako postoji pripravak koji je dobiven ubijanjem životinje a može spasiti desetine ljudskih života, onda tu nema razmišljanja o moralnosti...

To je samo pitanje što je manje zlo...Kada su Isusu rekli da je dobar, odgovorio je :"Zašto veliš da sam dobar, nema niti jednog dobrog osim moga Oca".

Dokazano je da i biljke na neki način osjećaju (reagiraju na muziku, na okoliš, stimuluse, čak i na to kada im list otkinete...) i one su žive i znaju kada ih ubijamo...da li možeš reći da jedeš samo dio biljke i ne ubijaš ju kada jedeš mrkvu, krumpir, luk, kada koristiš neko eterično ulje?

Naravno, ne osjećaju to kao mi i životinje, i zbog toga je to samo manje zlo, ali ipak zlo...

Mislim da je sve stvar svrsishodnosti...

Sjećam se jedne priče kada sam još prakticirao TM o jednom od učitelja iz Indije...u jedan o šatora u kojem su boravili meditanti ušla je izuzetno smrtonosna škorpija...svi su panično pobjegli van i pozvali dotičnog učitelja (inače vrlo visoko kotiranog kod maharishija) misleći kako će on kao produhovljen nekako odstraniti škorpiju...sve u svemu, frajer je stigao pred šator, skinuo sandalu i na zaprepaštenje sviju ušao u šator i zatukao škorpiju...

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Mužnja krava je otimanje mlijeka teletu...i to je vid maltretiranja...

Govoriti nekome da nije u pravu što jede meso ili koristi nešto s čime se mi ne slažemo je maltretiranje, nasilje...

Reći ja sam vegetarijanac, ne znači uopće da sam dobra osoba, mogu u sto drugih stvari biti nasilan...

Možemo samo reći, za mene je to i to dobro i ok...ako postoji pripravak koji je dobiven ubijanjem životinje a može spasiti desetine ljudskih života, onda tu nema razmišljanja o moralnosti...

To je samo pitanje što je manje zlo...Kada su Isusu rekli da je dobar, odgovorio je :"Zašto veliš da sam dobar, nema niti jednog dobrog osim moga Oca".

Dokazano je da i biljke na neki način osjećaju (reagiraju na muziku, na okoliš, stimuluse, čak i na to kada im list otkinete...) i one su žive i znaju kada ih ubijamo...da li možeš reći da jedeš samo dio biljke i ne ubijaš ju kada jedeš mrkvu, krumpir, luk, kada koristiš neko eterično ulje?

Naravno, ne osjećaju to kao mi i životinje, i zbog toga je to samo manje zlo, ali ipak zlo...

Mislim da je sve stvar svrsishodnosti...

Sjećam se jedne priče kada sam još prakticirao TM o jednom od učitelja iz Indije...u jedan o šatora u kojem su boravili meditanti ušla je izuzetno smrtonosna škorpija...svi su panično pobjegli van i pozvali dotičnog učitelja (inače vrlo visoko kotiranog kod maharishija) misleći kako će on kao produhovljen nekako odstraniti škorpiju...sve u svemu, frajer je stigao pred šator, skinuo sandalu i na zaprepaštenje sviju ušao u šator i zatukao škorpiju...

"Ne sudi da ti se ne bi sudilo"...
Kako je puna “mudrolija” owa crwena pilulica ide po forumu prosipajuci mudrosti o wegetarijanstwu I iznoseci SWOJ sud sta je manje,a sta wece zlo…A CITIRANJE Isusowih poruka I njihowo swojerucno “prewodjenje” necu ni pominjati…hehehe I onda na kraju swe to zacini bistrim zakljuckom…"Ne sudi da ti se ne bi sudilo"...prewise kontradiktornosti za jednu CrwenuPilulu koja nosi potpis REMEMBER: ALL I'M OFFERING IS THE TRUTH, NOTHING MORE. …medjutim ko ima oci widi…I ne naseda na twoje prowokacije……zaista si me nasmejao owim mudrolijama..(moguce je da je iza jedan mesojed prowokator,citajuci njegowe postowe unazad)..
A o biljkama i njihowim osecajima ,sto je JAKO zanimljiwo, najcesce rasprawljaju uprawo mesojedi koji upravo jedu meso, bojkotuju wegetarijanstvo i potom razmisljaju o biljkama koje imaju osecaje. Sto je totalni apsurd pa se ODSAD ne zelim ukljuciwati u takwe rasprawe, jer je to SAMO PODBADANjE a wecini mesojeda je samo to i svrha daleko od toga da nesto ustanowe jer ih to i ne zanima...(owo iznosim uopsteno na osnowu dosadasnjeg iskustwa) .
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bilo mi je od početka nešto "mutno" kod tebe...previše bockajuće za jedno dete svetla...


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by the way, nisam mesojed...ipak si ti taj koji ne vidi...

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Kako je puna “mudrolija” owa crwena pilulica ide po forumu prosipajuci mudrosti o wegetarijanstwu I iznoseci SWOJ sud sta je manje,a sta wece zlo…A CITIRANJE Isusowih poruka I njihowo swojerucno “prewodjenje” necu ni pominjati…hehehe I onda na kraju swe to zacini bistrim zakljuckom…"Ne sudi da ti se ne bi sudilo"...prewise kontradiktornosti za jednu CrwenuPilulu koja nosi potpis REMEMBER: ALL I'M OFFERING IS THE TRUTH, NOTHING MORE. …medjutim ko ima oci widi…I ne naseda na twoje prowokacije……zaista si me nasmejao owim mudrolijama..(moguce je da je iza jedan mesojed prowokator,citajuci njegowe postowe unazad)..
A o biljkama i njihowim osecajima ,sto je JAKO zanimljiwo, najcesce rasprawljaju uprawo mesojedi koji upravo jedu meso, bojkotuju wegetarijanstvo i potom razmisljaju o biljkama koje imaju osecaje. Sto je totalni apsurd pa se ODSAD ne zelim ukljuciwati u takwe rasprawe, jer je to SAMO PODBADANjE a wecini mesojeda je samo to i svrha daleko od toga da nesto ustanowe jer ih to i ne zanima...(owo iznosim uopsteno na osnowu dosadasnjeg iskustwa) .
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no, pokazalo si se dete...

nema tu nikakve provokacije s moje strane, jednostavno se ne slažem s nekim tvrdnjama...prestani me optuživati i osudjivati...ccc, kakva nekultura...

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Laughing Da li su svi homeopatski lijekovi prikladni za vegetarijance?

Prowokatori prowociraju...imaju i swoje tehnike,ali swe je to wec widjen klise pa se ne uzbudjujem wise...cak me zasmejawaju..a koliko widim bas si se uzbudio ispisawsi

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ponovit ću ti: ne sudi...nije stvar u bukvalnom citiranju (tipa copy paste, kako ti jedino znaš)...bitno je shvatiti što je pisac htio reći...a tebi to jednostavno ne ide...
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by the way, nisam mesojed...ipak si ti taj koji ne vidi...
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no, pokazalo si se dete...
nema tu nikakve provokacije s moje strane, jednostavno se ne slažem s nekim tvrdnjama...prestani me optuživati i osudjivati...ccc, kakva nekultura...
Cetiri posta na moj jedan hehehe cccc...
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