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Nepročitano 20-02-10, 10:17   #41
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Da, tako su nas ucili i danas nas bombarduju sa TV sa takvim informacijama.
Interesantno, posto si spomenuo jake kosti, autor doticne knjige kaze da kuvano mleko upravo unistava kalcijum u organizmu i da je to jedan od razloga slabih zuba (velike pojave karijesa), osteoporoze...

Da se razumemo - nista ne tvrdim - samo mi je interesantno ovo totalno drugacije stanoviste.
Ovo za karijes mi je posebno interesantno...neki pedijatri su misljenja da ne treba deci davati kalcijum u vidu tableta (sto je bila dugogodisnja praksa) , jer u dodiru sa mlekom moze izazvati zutilo zuba...tako da ja mojoj deci nisam davala nikakve Ca dodatke-a imaju zdrave zube.Istina,vise piju jogurt nego mleko.
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To je Udruga koja je relevantna i respektabilna u nasoj Zemlji ,kao i van nje.
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Udruga Prijatelji zivotinja dobiva informacije od Pete kao i od ostalih velikih Udruga u svijetu,ali se ne bazira na inozemstvo,vec na stanje u Hrvatskoj.
Rekla sam zasto ne priznajem podatke sa stranice PZ u nekoliko postova prije.
Dovoljan dokaz da prevode PETA-ine tekstove su ovi isječci:
Prijetelji zivotinja:
Sve je to povezano s modernim uzgojem odnosno iskorištavanjem krava, jer im se daju hormoni, antibiotici i razni otrovi kako bi proizvele što više mlijeka.

stranica na koju me uputila PETA kad sam utipkala "milk" u njihovu trazilicu:

Cows raised for milk and flesh are injected with powerful hormones to make them grow larger and produce more milk than they ever would naturally. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, by 1999, roughly 99 percent of cows on large feedlots in the U.S. were given synthetic hormonal implants.


Ponavljam, hormoni su zabranjeni u uzgoju u EU, Kanadi i Japanu, a vjerujem i u Hrvatskoj, buduci da su nam zakoni prilagodjeni EU ili ce to uskoro biti. Zasad imamo ovaj clanak Pravilnika:
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Sirovo mlijeko ne smije sadržavati rezidue iznad dozvoljene količine koje imaju farmakološko ili
hormonalno djelovanje te antibiotike, pesticide, detergente i druge štetne tvari koje mijenjaju
organoleptička svojstva mlijeka.



Sto se tice ostalih hormona u mlijeku, koji su stetni za ljude? I u soji ima hormona pa ju jede vecina vegana.
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Rekla sam zasto ne priznajem podatke sa stranice PZ u nekoliko postova prije.
Dovoljan dokaz da prevode PETA-ine tekstove su ovi isječci:
Prijetelji zivotinja:
Sve je to povezano s modernim uzgojem odnosno iskorištavanjem krava, jer im se daju hormoni, antibiotici i razni otrovi kako bi proizvele što više mlijeka.

stranica na koju me uputila PETA kad sam utipkala "milk" u njihovu trazilicu:

Cows raised for milk and flesh are injected with powerful hormones to make them grow larger and produce more milk than they ever would naturally. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, by 1999, roughly 99 percent of cows on large feedlots in the U.S. were given synthetic hormonal implants.

Ponavljam, hormoni su zabranjeni u uzgoju u EU, Kanadi i Japanu, a vjerujem i u Hrvatskoj, buduci da su nam zakoni prilagodjeni EU ili ce to uskoro biti. Zasad imamo ovaj clanak Pravilnika:
Članak 8.
Sirovo mlijeko ne smije sadržavati rezidue iznad dozvoljene količine koje imaju farmakološko ili
hormonalno djelovanje te antibiotike, pesticide, detergente i druge štetne tvari koje mijenjaju
organoleptička svojstva mlijeka.


Sto se tice ostalih hormona u mlijeku, koji su stetni za ljude? I u soji ima hormona pa ju jede vecina vegana.
Da te citiram:

"Sirovo mlijeko ne smije sadržavati rezidue iznad dozvoljene količine koje imaju farmakološko ili
hormonalno djelovanje te antibiotike, pesticide, detergente i druge štetne tvari koje mijenjaju
organoleptička svojstva mlijeka."

No lijepo pise IZNAD dozvoljenoga.
Postoji norma koja smije biti.A ona nije bas mala.
Krave primaju hormonsku terapiju,i to je normalna stvar.Kao i antibiotike.Svakodnevno.
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Koje hormone? Koje su dozvoljene vrijednosti, ako tvrdis da su visoke?
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Zar je bitno?Žalosno je da uopče sadrže hormone (to se ne odnosi samo na KM već na sve namirnice na kojima se vrše svakakva tretiranja)


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Estradiol 17-β , progesteron P4 i IGF-I,zatim (rBGH = rekombinirani goveđi hormon rasta ),hormon oksitocin,prolaktin itd.

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Zar je bitno?Žalosno je da uopče sadrže hormone (to se ne odnosi samo na KM već na sve namirnice na kojima se vrše svakakva tretiranja)
Da, bitno je. Prirodno mlijeko sadrzi hormone (kao i soja).
Npr. prolaktin nastaje kad se kravu muze (ili kad ju tele sise) i omogucava stvaranje novog mlijeka.

Problem su dodani hormoni. Koji su u EU zabranjeni.
Npr. Posilac, tj. rBGH.

Sto se tice te zabrane hormona u EU, to, nazalost, nije zbog brige EU o zdravlju njenih stanovnika, nego iz ekonomskih razloga. Na taj nacin sprecavaju uvoz mlijeka iz SAD-a i WTO im onda tu zabranu uvoza ne uzima za zlo (jer imaju dobar razlog).
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Da, bitno je. Prirodno mlijeko sadrzi hormone (kao i soja).
Npr. prolaktin nastaje kad se kravu muze (ili kad ju tele sise) i omogucava stvaranje novog mlijeka.

Problem su dodani hormoni. Koji su u EU zabranjeni.
Npr. Posilac, tj. rBGH.

Sto se tice te zabrane hormona u EU, to, nazalost, nije zbog brige EU o zdravlju njenih stanovnika, nego iz ekonomskih razloga. Na taj nacin sprecavaju uvoz mlijeka iz SAD-a i WTO im onda tu zabranu uvoza ne uzima za zlo (jer imaju dobar razlog).
Soja sadrzi prirodne hormone.Koji kod muskaraca obrcu patoloske procese u organizmu,kao npr.karcinom prostate,a kod zena ublazuje simptome menopauze.

Prolaktin da,nastaje,ali problem je kao sto i sama kazes dodani,a on se dodaje naknadno,kao i ostali koje sam nabrojao.

Neosporna je cinjenica da se pijuci mijeko ljudi unose organizam krv,gnoj,hormone i antibiotike.
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