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Nepročitano 24-07-13, 08:27   #21
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Btw. Mavrović je bio vegetarijanac pa je ustvrdio da se ne može biti u vrhunskom sportu ako nisi svejed. Trebam li opet naljpiti listu vega olimpijaca? (Doduše, Mavrović je tvrdio da su njegove svinje ekološki uzgajane, što se pokazalo kao laž, što su i njegovi rdnici potvrdili da je bila obična prijevara. Tako da, ne bih baš Mavroviću vjerovao...
Mavrović nikada nije bio vegetarijanac, hranio se makrobiotički, što podrazumeva termičku obradu hrane pri čemu se ubijaju svi enzimi, što je potrvrdio rekavši da je osećao gubitak energije.Posle toga se vratio mesnoj ishrani.Inače, makrobiotika podrazumeva konzumaciju hrane životinjskog porekla koja se ne ''gaji'' već je ''divlja''.
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A mozes li reci na koji nacin covjek treba da se krece i zivi. Na solarni pogon ili na neku drugu energiju?
Baciti oko na bretarijanizam, ima jedan odličan dokumentarac ali ga ne mogu naći, imam ga negdje na cd-u, pa ako netko ima, o znanstveniku koji se povrgnuo pokusu gladovanja? Netko?!?

Ali da ne idemo opet u offtopik...
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A mozes li reci na koji nacin covjek treba da se krece i zivi. Na solarni pogon ili na neku drugu energiju?
Ti slabo čitaš što se piše

Energija se uspješno može crpiti iz sunca, svemira i zemlje. Vrlo uspješno.


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Koji sportisti? Sahisti i baletani? Nisam ni rekao da se ne moze zivjeti i raditi bez mesa. Ali sportista mora pojesti "tonu" zelenisa da bi dobio ono sto mu meso nudi. Plus, ne zaboravi da ti mnogi sportisti krkaju proteine u prahu iz konzerve da ne bi morali toliko jesti. Mislis li da bi Majk Tajson ikoga nokautirao da nije znao pojesti i po 30 hamburgera? A sta mislis koliko bi mu trebalo zelenisa da to nadomjesti? Da, energija dolazi iz kvalitete tj. mesa jer krava je obradila biljnu hranu i skoncentrirala energiju u svoje tijelo. Mi jeduci meso samo skracujemo put. Da bi biljojedi bili masivni oni moraju jesti po citav dan. Ako ne jedu, onda prezivaju i onda opet jedu. Mesojedi npr. ne jedu cesto kao biljojedi. To nisu gluposti vec kako stvari stoje.

Ali slazem se da meso treba sto vise izbjegavati i jesti biljnu hranu.
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Koji sportisti? Sahisti i baletani? Nisam ni rekao da se ne moze zivjeti i raditi bez mesa. Ali sportista mora pojesti "tonu" zelenisa da bi dobio ono sto mu meso nudi. Plus, ne zaboravi da ti mnogi sportisti krkaju proteine u prahu iz konzerve da ne bi morali toliko jesti. Mislis li da bi Majk Tajson ikoga nokautirao da nije znao pojesti i po 30 hamburgera? A sta mislis koliko bi mu trebalo zelenisa da to nadomjesti? Da, energija dolazi iz kvalitete tj. mesa jer krava je obradila biljnu hranu i skoncentrirala energiju u svoje tijelo. Mi jeduci meso samo skracujemo put. Da bi biljojedi bili masivni oni moraju jesti po citav dan. Ako ne jedu, onda prezivaju i onda opet jedu. Mesojedi npr. ne jedu cesto kao biljojedi. To nisu gluposti vec kako stvari stoje.

Ali slazem se da meso treba sto vise izbjegavati i jesti biljnu hranu.
Mozes bit i vegan bilder, ali tesko na mrkvi i paprici bez (makar bili biljnog podrijetla) suplemenata koje tek moderna tehnologija omogucava.

Edit: No opet tesko da mozes i na mesnoj bez suplemenata pa ne znam sto to pokazje :misli:


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Vegeterijanska propaganda. Kao sto sam i rekao "baletani". Koliko je tu npr. americkih fudbalera (ragbista) ili boksera teskasa. OK, mislim da je Mavrovic bio vegeterijanac
I priznao da mu je bila greska.

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Mike Tyson može za svoje nokaute zahvaliti jedenju 30 hamburgera??!

Čemu vegani mma borci ili body builderi mogu zahvaliti na sportskim uspjesima? Aha, da, MMA borci i body builderi su "baletani"
Baletani je vjerojatno zbog kategorije. Osim sto su navedeni u svojim borilackim temeljima parterasi (dakle ne dominira eksplozivna snaga) cemu su kasnije dodavali udaracke vjestine mahom su iz lakih kategorija. Teskas-nokauter sa neusporedivo vecom masom i eksplozivnoscu je ipak malo drugacija stvar. Ali mozda ima i njih vegica, tko zna :D

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samo je Mike Tyson što točno?!? )Osim što je diskvalificirani sportaš i silovatelj?)
Ne prati se bas boks :D :D
Jes ikad gledao njegove meceve iz amaterskog i ranog profesionalnog djela karijere?

Jedan je od najboljih teskasa svih vremena po ocjenama bilo koga tko ima pojma o boksu i vjerojatno u tim danima bio najdominantniji borac kojeg sam ikada vidio u ringu. I naravno svjetski prvak po svim verzijama ako se ne varam, nakon sto je osvojio dva puta juniorsko olimpijsko zlato. Pogle tablicu na dnu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson

Od dole prema gore, u prvom djelu profi karijere prakticki nema poraza, a 90% pobjeda su nokauti.

No, za nase potrebe se ionako nije previse pametno usporedjivati sa profesionalnim sportom, on i nije najzdravija stvar na svijetu.


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svijesno i odgovorno za ove rijeci tvrdim da 98% modernih ljudi nezna sto je glad.. niti su je imali priliku iskusiti u izvornom obliku..

ono sto se danas pripisuje gladi nema veze sa time.. to su zapravo ovisnicki simptomi "povlacenja".. dakle doslovno.. nestalo heroina.. tresu se ruke.. nesvjestica.. slabost.. organizam TRAZI SLJEDECI KEMIJSKI FIX!

to nema veze sa gladi ni stvarnim potrebama organizma!! kao sto ni ubrizgavanje heroina nema veze sa stvarnim potrebama prihrane organizma.. zdrav funkcionalan covjek kada ostane bez hrane 10 dana ni ne trepne.. netaknut je.. normalan.. svijestan.. ne oscilira tezinom.. ovisnik ako ne konzumira nesto od 1 do 6 popodne.. je cak i sa svojih karikiranih 20kg viska npr.. na rubu raspada sistema..


covjek danas toliko malo zna o sebi i prehrani da je to sramotno na civilizacijskom nivou.. od individualaca se prave ovisnici.. jer ovisnike je lakse drzat opet naravno pod kontrolom.. i dat nam taj monkey fix.. i drzat nas ovisnima o njemu.. stovise uvjerit nas da je bilo sto drugo osim toga NEZDRAVO




pitanje hranjenja u covjeka je veoma kompleksno i individualno.. zadire do same esencije onoga sto jesmo.. pokusati razumijeti sa tog povrsnog fizickog aspekta ne vodi nikuda.. jer tada..

sve o hrani sto ste ikada culi je istina.. ali bas sve.. pitanje je samo koga ili sto.. ili u koju svrhu se hrani.. a sva hrana je dobra za nesto.. i za nekoga..


pa cak i nikakva.. poput ovoga para koji je trudnocu , porod i dojenje prosao.. disuci.. sa time da je zena imala apsolutno savrsene nalaze u bolnici.. jedina od trudnica nije imala NIKAKVE DEFICIJENCIJE NICEGA.. iako je konzumirala NISTA.. zanimljivo ha?


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Hvala na ispravci. Već sam prije na nekoj vege temi napisao ovo za Mavrovića da mi je to frend pričao, kako je gledao emisiju Nedjeljom u 2, kad je gost bio Mavrović. Frend je u tom slučaju krivo zapamtio a ja uzeo informaciju zdravo za gotovo. Pouka: ne vjerovati prijateljima!
Mislim da on nikada nije skroz jasno rekao kako se tocno hranio. I inace voli bit "kriptican" u intervjuima.


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