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Nepročitano 14-09-15, 10:52   #121
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Zato što je anestezija jako, jako, jako opasna i ostavlja trajne posljedice na mozak i organizam i zato sve što se može raditi bez nje, pa čak i po cijenu malo bola, treba svakako raditi bez narkoze.

A ljudi mogu malo stisnut zube i ne bit ta'ke plačipi*ke. Posebno kad se radi o njihovoj dobrobiti.
Koliko puta si kiretirana bez anestezije?
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Koliko puta si kiretirana bez anestezije?
Više puta. Preživjela i nije tako strašno. Imala sam gorih glavobolja.
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Uvijek se dobije blaga sedacija i analgetik.

A to da li je žena svjesna posljedica, zaista mislim da nema veze s narkozom. Zar ima takvih koje misle da plod neće završiti u kanalizaciji ako su dobile narkozu???

Ma mislila sam općenito da je bolje kada žena to ne gleda, mislim na sve oko tog postupka.

Bol je individualna, doživljavamo je različito. To što tebi to nije bilo strašno, drugim ženama možda jeste. Ja se samo nadam da neću morati više to prolaziti.
Kada sam prije neki dan pisala prvi post na ovu temu, pomislila sam:
"Što mi to treba da o tome pišem?".
Ipak, o tome treba pisati. Stavovi su različiti, pa neka onaj koji čita ove redove uzme za sebe ono što njemu odgovara.
Narkoza ima dosta nedostataka, ali, za mene, u tadašnjoj situaciji je to jako dobra opcija koju mi je ponudila medicina. Ja bih svakoj ženi savjetovala narkozu, pogotovo onima koje se boje, koje su osjetljivije.
To je iza mene i ne bih više o tome.
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Više puta. Preživjela i nije tako strašno. Imala sam gorih glavobolja.

Ne mora znaciti ali mi na um pada ...da je i negiranje , 'zaboravljanje'
boli, bilo koje vrste, jedan od simptoma da je neki dogadjaj itekako stresan bio za zivcani sustav.


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A ljudi mogu malo stisnut zube i ne bit ta'ke plačipi*ke. Posebno kad se radi o njihovoj dobrobiti.
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Više puta. Preživjela i nije tako strašno. Imala sam gorih glavobolja.
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Svaka osoba ima individualni prag i subjektivni osjećaj boli. Generalno nazvati one koji bol podnose drugačije od nas-plačipi*kama, je prilično nekorektno i grubo, bar prema mojim shvaćanjima.
Kako bi, sukladno takvom nazivlju, onda nazvala one koji se na način drugačiji od tvog nose sa svojim bolnim emocionalnim/mentalnim problemima? I, kako bi nazvala one koji se (npr. ovdje na forumu) ne mogu na konstruktivan način nositi sa svojim vlastitim mentalnim i emocionalnim sklopovima, nego još, usput, za svoje probleme okrivljuju, napadaju i k tome vrlo ružno vrijeđaju nekog drugog?


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Zato što je anestezija jako, jako, jako opasna i ostavlja trajne posljedice na mozak i organizam i zato sve što se može raditi bez nje, pa čak i po cijenu malo bola, treba svakako raditi bez narkoze.

A ljudi mogu malo stisnut zube i ne bit ta'ke plačipi*ke. Posebno kad se radi o njihovoj dobrobiti.
Ma da. A zašto se svi ti silni 'zahvati' estetske prirode ne rade bez anestezije kada je tako opasna???? Men se čini da je to lijepo protureno kao jedno slatko uvjerenjce koje su prvenstveno žene usvojile, kao perfidno sredstvo zlostavljanja njih samih. Čime ćeš više uplašiti i mučiti ženu neg njenim vlastitim reproduktivnim aparatom.

A što se tiče plačipi* ki, to su vjerojatno one kojima i nije baš prirodno patiti.
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Više puta. Preživjela i nije tako strašno. Imala sam gorih glavobolja.
Žao mi je što si to prolazila, a posebno uz bolove. Niti jedna žena ne mora patiti i mučiti se zbog toga što može rađati, niti jedna. Uvjerenje da se mora istrpiti uz bolove nije prirodno. Dođe mi da pomislim na iskup 'grijeha'.
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Ma da. A zašto se svi ti silni 'zahvati' estetske prirode ne rade bez anestezije kada je tako opasna???? Men se čini da je to lijepo protureno kao jedno slatko uvjerenjce koje su prvenstveno žene usvojile, kao perfidno sredstvo zlostavljanja njih samih. Čime ćeš više uplašiti i mučiti ženu neg njenim vlastitim reproduktivnim aparatom.

A što se tiče plačipi* ki, to su vjerojatno one kojima i nije baš prirodno patiti.
Pa sad se opet miješaju kruške i jabuke.

Estetske operacije nije nužno raditi. To je na odgovornost i rizik onoga tko ih silno želi.

Operacije se mogu raditi i bez narkoze i to je poznato - npr. uz pomoć AT-a ili akupunkture, tako da se uopće ne osjeća bol. Također postoji i spinalna anestezija ali i ona je rizična.

Činjenica je da je narkoza izuzetno štetna (osobno znam dvoje ljudi kojima je operacija uspješno izvršena ali su umrli od posljedica narkoze - a i jako puno životinja koje nisu preživjele zahvat, no to sad na stranu) i to zna svaki liječnik i zato se prije narkoze i bilo kakvog zahvata i radi kompletna dijagnostika (ili bi se svakako trebala raditi) i potpisuje se pristanak i to da je pacijent upoznat s mogućim posljedicama. Ako i nisu smrtne, one se očituju kasnije u slabijoj koncentraciji i fokusu i raznim drugim simptomima.

Dakle, ne znam što je tu sporno?

Ako je nekom draže riskirati život ili doživotne posljedice umjesto da malo otrpi - onda je to njegova odluka.

Ovo "plačipi* ka" je bilo šaljivo ali vidim da su tu svi jako ozbiljni postali pa se više ne tolerira ništa osim drame.
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Žao mi je što si to prolazila, a posebno uz bolove. Niti jedna žena ne mora patiti i mučiti se zbog toga što može rađati, niti jedna. Uvjerenje da se mora istrpiti uz bolove nije prirodno. Dođe mi da pomislim na iskup 'grijeha'.
Sve je to život i očigledno mi je bilo nužno to proživjeti iz nekog razloga. Ne treba dramiti oko svega što nam se dešava. Ima i mnogo, mnogo, mnogo gorih stvari u životu.
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