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E ovako ja reagujem, samo sto ne bih cekala 14 minuta, dugo je Onda bih se pojela ziva razmisljajuci sto li mi je to trebalo, sto sam zvala, sada ce covek da me proklinje, sto li mu izvukoh te pare iz dzepa po ovoj besparici.....
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Već si neko vrijeme razbijam glavu pravim značenjem tolerancije. Nekad mi se čini da je izjava o vlastitoj tolerantnosti čista laž. Jesu li tolerancija i licemjerje sinonimi?

Nešto što je meni tolerantno, nekom drugom nije - a vrijedi i obrnuto.

Što se tiče tolerancije društva, stvar se još više zapetljava, jer da bi društvo bilo tolerantno, trebaju postojati državni organi koji kažnjavaju "manje tolerantne" - pa tolerancija postaje prisilno, a ne spontano ponšanje.

Što mislite o toleranciji?

Kako je vi definirate?

Jeste li tolerantniji od drugih ljudi?

Radi li se o ponašanju koje vam je spontano ili ste ga naučili?

Jeste li ikada lagali kako biste kod sugovornika naišli na toleranciju (umjesto zgražanja)?
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Heh, odlična tema! I dobro pitanje na koje nije lako odgovoriti.

Mislim da tolerancija nema nužno neke izravne veze s licemjerjem. Tko je licemjeran, bit će licemjeran u svakoj situaciji i svim okolnostima.

Tolerancija je dozvoliti da drugi budu to što jesu bez osuđivanja. Tako nekako.

Također mislim da stupanj tolerancije ima veze sa stupnjem osvještenosti jer kada shvatimo da nije svijet okrenut protiv nas osobno i da nas nitko tamo vani ne proganja, tada smo spontano i tolerantniji jer nas ne smetaju tuđi stavovi i ponašanja, kakvi god bili i iako su različiti od našeg.

Ov s tolerancijom društva baš ne kužim. Ne može se tolerancija naređivati niti propisivati zakonima. To se zove drugim nazivom - represija.


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tolerantna sam samo prema sebi a nekad čak niti to

što točno toleriraju tolerantni ljudi?
To mi je slično izjavi ljudi koji kažu kako se trude biti dobri i pažljivi prema drugima, čim se ti trudiš nešto biti znači da to NISI

Lusi bez uvrede ali razbijaš si glavu glupostima, bolje odi na pivu, nakon jedne ili dvije sve ćeš moći tolerirati


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Stupanj tolerancije zna varirati od dana do dana i ovisi i o tome na koju smo se nogu digli i koliki nam je taj dan fitilj.

Znam da i ja nekad imam dosta neujednačene kriterije. Na ono što bih danas iskočila iz cipela, sutra ne bih ni zapazila - doslovno su tolika odstupanja. Ovisi o mom trenutnom emocionalnom stanju odnosno unutarnjoj ravnoteži. (Dobro, nije da se svaki dan mijenjam ko šizika , ali povremeno bude takvih situacija, mislim da je kod većine tako.)

Tolerancija se i uči i može razviti većim razumijevanjem pojava i svijeta oko nas.

A što se pivice tiče - i to potpisujem! Bolje popit čašu pive i zaleć u ležaljku miran nego iskakati iz cipela. (sve dok to ne poprimi ovisničke karakteristike i ne predstavlja način rješavanja problema.)


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tolerantna sam samo prema sebi a nekad čak niti to

što točno toleriraju tolerantni ljudi?
To mi je slično izjavi ljudi koji kažu kako se trude biti dobri i pažljivi prema drugima, čim se ti trudiš nešto biti znači da to NISI

Lusi bez uvrede ali razbijaš si glavu glupostima, bolje odi na pivu, nakon jedne ili dvije sve ćeš moći tolerirati

Ne mora značiti. Nije ni bitno da li si istinski tolerantan, bitno je da se trudiš to biti. Tolerancija je stanje duha,dolazi s mudrošću. Dok se to ne postigne nije licemjerno niti loše ponekad samog sebe prisiliti na toleranciju, ipak je to vrlina kojoj treba težiti i na njoj raditi. Naravno, sve ovisi o tome što se treba tolerirati.....




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tolerantna sam samo prema sebi a nekad čak niti to

što točno toleriraju tolerantni ljudi?
To mi je slično izjavi ljudi koji kažu kako se trude biti dobri i pažljivi prema drugima, čim se ti trudiš nešto biti znači da to NISI

Lusi bez uvrede ali razbijaš si glavu glupostima, bolje odi na pivu, nakon jedne ili dvije sve ćeš moći tolerirati

Pa da se konačno dostaviš do mene - pila bih i pivo s tobom.

Ja jesam tolerantna, tolerantnija od okoline. Npr. prema Romima sam tolerantnija, mogu se najesti kod mene, popiti kakvu, družim se s gejevima, ne osuđujem fanatike, ni sotoniste itd.


Ali nekad, da bi mi ljudi tolerirali, a ne se zgrozili nada mnom, prešutim da neke stvari toleriram.
Isto tako, neki ljudi prešute da neke stvari ne toleriraju, samo da nekoga ne zgroze.
Može se to interpretirati kao diplomatičnost, uviđavnost, ali i kao licemjerje...
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Ne mora značiti. Nije ni bitno da li si istinski tolerantan, bitno je da se trudiš to biti. Tolerancija je stanje duha,dolazi s mudrošću. Dok se to ne postigne nije licemjerno niti loše ponekad samog sebe prisiliti na toleranciju, ipak je to vrlina kojoj treba težiti i na njoj raditi. Naravno, sve ovisi o tome što se treba tolerirati.....
je li isto biti ljubazan i glumiti ljubaznost?
Osobno su mi draži ljudi koji ne glume jer s njima čovjek barem zna na čemu je dok se od ovih drugih jako može iznenaditi i šokirati čak.

Lusi prije ćemo piti kod mene nego kod tebe, dođi kad god želiš, bit će mi jako drago


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je li isto biti ljubazan i glumiti ljubaznost?
Osobno su mi draži ljudi koji ne glume jer s njima čovjek barem zna na čemu je dok se od ovih drugih jako može iznenaditi i šokirati čak.
Kad dođem u trgovinu, draže mi je da mi prodavačica glumi ljubaznost nego da me izvrijeđa jer je taj dan živčana.

Ovo o čemu govoriš je licemjerje koje mi je jedna od najgnjusnijih ljudskih osobina. No truditi se biti ljubazan iako ti možda do toga nije jer si nesretan, nešto te boli ili si naprosto neraspoložen, nije isto kao biti licemjeran.


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Kad dođem u trgovinu, draže mi je da mi prodavačica glumi ljubaznost nego da me izvrijeđa jer je taj dan živčana.

Ovo o čemu govoriš je licemjerje koje mi je jedna od najgnjusnijih ljudskih osobina. No truditi se biti ljubazan iako ti možda do toga nije jer si nesretan, nešto te boli ili si naprosto neraspoložen, nije isto kao biti licemjeran.
pa nije u redu rigati vatru na druge ljude ako smo neraspoloženi, to je ionako naš vlastiti problem a ne drugih ljudi pa se sami trebamo s time i nositi na koji god način, ne spada mi to u toleranciju nego normalnu kulturu ophođenja s ljudima

Tolerancija bi bila nešto sasvim drugo, toleriranje suprotnosti ili stava koji je opozicija našem, druge religije npr. ajmo vidjeti koliko tu uopće ima tolerancije, najbolji primjer ne/tolerancije bi bio kada susjedov pas pokenja naš novouređeni vrt s ružicama, ili taman izglancaš staklena vrata do vrhunskog sjaja a susjedov klinac ti ga zamacka prljavim prstima netom nakon čišćenja


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