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Postapalice nemaju nikakve veze sa obrazovanjem.
Zaključili smo da nema izravne veze jer ima mnogo primitivnih naroda i neobrazovanih ljudi koji se u govoru ne služe poštapalicama, no neizravno ipak mislim da ima jer kvalitetno obrazovanje treba proširivati vidike i unaprijeđivati svjesnost općenito.

Što ti misliš sa čime imaju veze?


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A , kad ne citam sve :zubo:

Ne znam.

Cuch i dr.sc. linkvistike koji imaju postapalice iako imaju siroko humanisticko obrazovanje, jezike poznaju kao malo tko i govore ih vise od nekoliko... :ne zna:

Eventualno bi vrsta postapalica indirektno mogla imati veze kroz nekakav kulturni krug koji vise ovisi o obrazovanju, pa bi "Nizi sloj" mozda u prosjeku cesce imao "vulgarnije" oblike, al u osnovi ne cini mise bitnom razlikom...


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Meni se nekako čini da najviše ima veze naprosto s lošim navikama.

Većina ljudi koji u govoru koriste poštapalice nisu toga uopće svjesni. Potrebno je osvjestiti ih kako bi skrenuli pozornost na njih i na taj način ih mogli postepeno izbaciti iz upotrebe.


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Nisu u pitanju samo poštapalice, pa ljudi moji to što se može opsovati na našem jeziku, stvarno se može samo na našem, i rijetko koji jezik može izbaciti toliko psovki kao naš, i to u zemlji junaka i deklarativno preko 80 posto katoličke vjeroispovjesti hehe, "jebote" je još dobro dok vam poštapalica ne postane Bog, e onda je to zbilja degutantno, jer ljudi nisu ni svjesni da u svakoj rečenici psuju Boga:(

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Meni se nekako čini da najviše ima veze naprosto s lošim navikama.

Većina ljudi koji u govoru koriste poštapalice nisu toga uopće svjesni. Potrebno je osvjestiti ih kako bi skrenuli pozornost na njih i na taj način ih mogli postepeno izbaciti iz upotrebe.
A siguran sam da su se ljudi i time strucno bavili i konkretnije istrazivili pa bi bolje bilo da imamo neki pregled istog prije nagadjanja al recimo da mi ce cini kako bi mogli pretpostavljati nekoliko funkcionalnih razloga:

Kognitivni:

- popunjavanje "latencije" izmedju glave i jezika, odnosno davanje prostora za slaganje misli bez da se prekida komunikacija i rade pauze u toku rijeci

Komunikacijski/socialni:

- cini mi se da ih neki ljudi koriste kao nacin naglasavanja misli, osiguravanja tudje paznje isl (postapalice koje znaju biti snaznije izrecene i glasnije od ostatka govora, npr)

- neki ih koriste radi efekta simpaticnosti i prisnosti, "poljuddjivanja" komunikacije

- donekle slicno neki ih koriste i da bi izbjegli stavljanje sebe u superioran polozaj, dociranje isl kada se zeli davati u osnovi negativan komentar, ukazati na neku gresku isl.

Odnosno nekad u tom smislu imaju "efekt smajlica", moderiranja duha komunikacije bez zadiranja u konkretan sadrzaj :o


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Mislim da ljudi previse postaju osjetljivi na sve.
Riječi prate energiju,ako to netko govori bez ikakve zle namjere onda nevidim razloga zasto to isticati.
riječ je riječ.
Više negativnosti ima riječ:Kolateralna šteta negoli riječ:jebote...zar ne?

Isto tako,sto je normalni slijed riječi a sto nije?Znam ljude koji prate na svaku riječ,tj da ne ispadnu seljaci koristenjem nekih takvih,nazovimo to postapalicama i to su jedni od najiskompleksiranijih ljudi na planeti.

to mi je bzvz,kontrolirat svoj govor smatram da je jos jedan izraz kontrole i stezanja obruca oko ljudskog duha.
Sto se tice anglicizma i ostalih Aliena u nasem riječniku smatram da bi trebalo vise njegovat domaci jezik,to naravno.
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Mislim da ljudi previse postaju osjetljivi na sve.
Ja baš mislim da su sve neosjetljiviji.

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Riječi prate energiju,ako to netko govori bez ikakve zle namjere onda nevidim razloga zasto to isticati.
riječ je riječ.
Više negativnosti ima riječ:Kolateralna šteta negoli riječ:jebote...zar ne?
Riječ prati energiju ali i energija prati riječ - to je neodvojivo jedno od drugoga. Onaj tko ima finu, izbalansiranu energiju, nema potrebe umetnuti "jebote" jer to sigurno ne govoriš kad nekom tepaš.


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Isto tako,sto je normalni slijed riječi a sto nije?Znam ljude koji prate na svaku riječ,tj da ne ispadnu seljaci koristenjem nekih takvih,nazovimo to postapalicama i to su jedni od najiskompleksiranijih ljudi na planeti.

to mi je bzvz,kontrolirat svoj govor smatram da je jos jedan izraz kontrole i stezanja obruca oko ljudskog duha.
Nije toliko bitno što je normalan slijed riječi, sad ne govorimo o sintaksi (iako ona ima svoja pravila u svakom jeziku koja treba poštivati u ime konvencije zvane jezik - inače on nema svrhe kao takav), nego koje se riječi učestalo upotrebljavaju bez stvarne potrebe, s kojom svrhom i razlogom. Jer, to "jebote" nema nikakvo suštinsko značenje koje bi utjecalo na smisao onoga što se govori.

Mislim da je Bama dao neke vrlo dobre smjernice.


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Po pitanju obrazovanja, čitanja, pismenosti i sl.:

http://www.4dportal.com/hr/bizarno/3...ne-cita-knjige

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tema ti je

Gle, možeš to tumačiti i kao dobre želje umjesto kletvi... (naravno, ovisi tko prema tebi ima takve namjere....)
Npr, sa zadovoljstvom bi to slušala od finog, zgodnog frajera.....
eee,upravo to...,ja kad nekome tak' lijepo "skrstim" imam u mislima samo naljepše misli u nadi da se po zakonima Svemira sve poslano vraća pošiljatelju čak i pojačano
ps. pročitaj te knjigu od John C.Parkin-a J*** mi se,prava meditacija


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