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hej hej, pozdrav, evo mene malo opet

a nego s čim, neg s problemom te molim pomoć i savjete!

imam štene jack russella staro 6 mjeseci i ustanovljeno mu je u pred nekoliko dana da ima demodex koji ga lagano ždere.
na sada 4 mjesta fali dlakice (najveće područje je promjera 3cm) i repić koji može grickati je uspio izmrcvariti da je tamnoljubičast na tom dijelu.

dobila sam tactic s preporukom da svaka 3 dana u 0,5l vode kapnem 2ml tekućine i time ga cijelog operem.

što još sve mogu učiniti za njega da mu se digne imunitet itd.? propolisi, srebro, đinđe minđe...?
vet je rekla samo time prati i kad potrošim, kontrola i gotovo sigurno nastavak terapije.

kakva su vaša iskustva s onim magiq gljivma? savjetovala mi je jedna uzgajivačica da to uzmem da se iznutra razjača...
Ja bih na tvom mjestu probala s Advocate ampulama. TacTic je strašan otrov. Ja sam imala jako dobre rezultate s Advocateom.

Stavlja se barem 6 ampula sljedećom dinamikom: prve dvije u razmaku od 10-12 dana, sljedeća na 3 tjedna pa onda svakih mjesec dana.

Aplicira se ko svaka druga ampula, na kožu između lopatica i duž kralježnice. Može se kupiti u svakom pet shopu ili veterinarskoj ljekarni i ambulanti. Normalno je da nakon prve aplikacije ampule dođe do kratkotrajnog pogoršanja jer kad grinje krenu krepavati onda su histerične pa jače grizu, ali za par dana bi se trebalo početi smirivati.

Nepotrebno je cijelog psa kupati radi par lezija a posebno ne na 3 dana - on se aplicira jednom sedmično i to čak i više razrijeđen. No, kažem - ja psa ne bih time trovala.

Alternativa je ulje i prah neema, ali nisam tretirala nikada isključivo s time nego samo kao potporna terapija.

Nadam se da je demodex dijagnosticiran temeljem mikroskopskog pregleda strugotine? Naime, demodex ne svrbi pa mi je sumnjivo zašto si je pojeo dio iznad repa. To mi više sliči na upaljene analne žlijezde. Možeš to mazati uljem crnog kima ili neema.

Za imunitet bih davala ulje crnog kima - nikakve preparate s H vitaminom niti vitaminske dodatke za dlaku tipa biodin NE DAVATI, sve dok se demodex ne povuče jer u suprotnom samo hraniš grinju.

Na kraju upozorenje - demodex je genetski predisponiran pa svog psa nikako ne smiješ pariti niti mu dozvoliti da ima potomstvo.


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Ja bih na tvom mjestu probala s Advocate ampulama. TacTic je strašan otrov. Ja sam imala jako dobre rezultate s Advocateom.

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hvala ti!! ampulice mogu u bilo kojem vet dućanu uzeti? tj. gdje u zgu mogu to nabaviti, ak ne kod vet.? u ka inače sve obavljamo pa se tu ne snalazim najbolje.
a sutra onda trk po njih...

vidjela sam još negdje da se rjeđe pere pesa s onim neg kak su meni prepoučili...pomislila sam možda jer je već prošireno, a ne lokalizirano pa valjda neka udarna terapija, al sumnjivo mi je to sve kad ga moram natapati toliko. meni ne smeta miris, no mogu misliti kak je maloj mrvici kad se nasafta u tome.


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Nadam se da je demodex dijagnosticiran temeljem mikroskopskog pregleda strugotine? Naime, demodex ne svrbi pa mi je sumnjivo zašto si je pojeo dio iznad repa. To mi više sliči na upaljene analne žlijezde. Možeš to mazati uljem crnog kima ili neema.
je. uzete su strugotine s 2 najsvježija mjesta.
nije iznad repa, nego na pola dužine repa, nema veze s guzom.

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Za imunitet bih davala ulje crnog kima - nikakve preparate s H vitaminom niti vitaminske dodatke za dlaku tipa biodin NE DAVATI, sve dok se demodex ne povuče jer u suprotnom samo hraniš grinju.
koliko često i kako je najbolje davati ulje?

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Na kraju upozorenje - demodex je genetski predisponiran pa svog psa nikako ne smiješ pariti niti mu dozvoliti da ima potomstvo.
već sam poslala ljudima koji imaju njegovu mamu što se dogodilo i da im to bude upozorenje, jer bi oni htjeli još pariti. =/
dvoumila sam se oko kastracije malog guzonje, nekak mi je bilo žao da ga cvaknemo, al sad je definitivno koje će se rješenje izabrati.


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hvala ti!! ampulice mogu u bilo kojem vet dućanu uzeti? tj. gdje u zgu mogu to nabaviti, ak ne kod vet.? u ka inače sve obavljamo pa se tu ne snalazim najbolje.
a sutra onda trk po njih...
Pet Centar ih ima sigurno (Heinzelova i Vrbani), Zoo City isto ...

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vidjela sam još negdje da se rjeđe pere pesa s onim neg kak su meni prepoučili...pomislila sam možda jer je već prošireno, a ne lokalizirano pa valjda neka udarna terapija, al sumnjivo mi je to sve kad ga moram natapati toliko. meni ne smeta miris, no mogu misliti kak je maloj mrvici kad se nasafta u tome.
Najmanje je bitan miris - to je nafta. Jesu li vas upozorili da dijabetičari ne smiju biti nigdje u blizini toga, kao ni trudnice? I da moraš koristiti masku i PVC rukavice kad ga kupaš?

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je. uzete su strugotine s 2 najsvježija mjesta.
nije iznad repa, nego na pola dužine repa, nema veze s guzom.
Itekako može imati veze s analkama - lokacija nema veze.

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koliko često i kako je najbolje davati ulje?
Ulje daješ 2 x dnevno po 30 kapi. Ili izravno u usta (nakon jela) ili u hranu ako hoće pojesti jer ima malo jači miris i okus. Možeš malo pomiješati s čistim maslinovim da se malo razblaži. S neemom možeš mazati lezije.

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već sam poslala ljudima koji imaju njegovu mamu što se dogodilo i da im to bude upozorenje, jer bi oni htjeli još pariti. =/
dvoumila sam se oko kastracije malog guzonje, nekak mi je bilo žao da ga cvaknemo, al sad je definitivno koje će se rješenje izabrati.
Mda, to je kinologija u hrvata. Stvaraju degenerirane primjerke jer nemaju ni znanja ni morala.


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Čime ga hraniš?

Eh da, i nemoj ga sada niti slučajno cijepiti - sve dok se demodex ne povuče potpuno. (Moj je savjet nemoj uopće, ali eto - barem ne narednih nekoliko mjeseci.)

Kastracija tamo negdje s godinom i pol, ne prije.


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razumijem da je nafta i to me zbrecalo na prvu, al kaj da radim, prihvatila sam da pomaže (što iz iskustva bake kak je liječila životinje prije doma, što ovo sad kaj vet vele). no, bez obzira na to, rado bih da se da kak drugačije, ako može. barem da g ne namačem u tome skroz.
miris spominjem, jer se mali sav poklopi kad osjeti to na sebi. šok i muka automatska koju mu ne želim dodatno priređivati i satima se zadrži taj intenzitet smrada na njemu.

rukavice koristim, da.
nisu upozorili za ono dvoje, trebali su, mada mi nekak zdravorazumski ima smisla to držat dalje od svega.

hm, cijepiti za što? obavio je sva cijepljenja, čeka ga tek sljedeće godine u rujnu opet za bjesnoću.

od suhe dobiva brit koju kombiniram s britovim lososovim uljem, a sad sam uzela pro plan za osjetljive štence.
kuham mu također, riža, mrkva, piletina, zec...itd. dam povremeno mokru (jeo je r.canin i dein bestes), al trudim se to izbjegavati što više i dat ovo kuhano.
dobije voća svaki dan - jabuke, banane...

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OK - demodex se obično aktivira kad pas dođe u pubertet, negdje od 6. do 10. mjeseca starosti i kada se u organizmu dešavaju velike hormonalne i imunološke promjene.

TacTic možeš izbjeći uporabom Advocatea uz napomenu da moraš davati sve do kraja, bez obzira na povlačenje simptoma. Isto tako - za to vrijeme psu ne trebaju nikakva druga sredstva protiv nametnika.

Voće treba davati samo, dakle nikako u obroku, a bilo bi najbolje da ga staviš na BARF, barem dok se ne oporavi. Najprirodnija i najzdravija hrana - i tebi najjednostavnije jer već sadrži apsolutno sve što psu treba pa ne moraš niš izmišljati niti dodavati.

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sjećam se da sam pročitala kako hvališ barf, al sam nekak automatski posegnula na ovu 'za štence' hranu.
budemo sad potrošili ovo kaj imamo uz što više kuhanog pa ću i ono probati.

voće mu dam ko zalogaj. obično to bude i kad ja jedem pa odvojim malo te on bude sretan kak užica tada nešto :)

kupila ampulu! dajem večeras jednu pa onda z nekih 10ak dana itd.


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helou :)

nisam mogla dugo na net pa evo tek sad osvrta na naš napredak :)
iskoristili smo dosad 1 ampulicu i ipak bih svaka 3-4 dana na mokru vaticu natrpala tactica te natapkala na dijelove gdje fali dlakice, davala sam svakodnevno propolis, med i tu i tamo češnjaka i da pokucam u tvrdo. mali pas je skoro zacijelio kompletno :)

prvo se popravilo sve na najsvježijem mjestu, na boku gdje mu je najviše falilo je prekriveno mini dlakicama koje polako rastu, a jedino je repić još gol - no, nije više tamnoljubičast, nema krastica i sl.

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Joj el., sad sam skoro pala sa stolice?! Kombiniraš TacTic i Advocate na svoju ruku??? Čemu to??? Mogla si otrovati psa.

Zašto tražiš savjete kad ih ne slušaš?

Do sada si trebala staviti i drugu ampulu i uskoro treću. Nisam ti savjet dala napamet - sve ima svoj razlog.


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rekla sam ženi u apoteci da koristim tactic i rekla je da mogu i ampulu, da će pomoći. šta reć, ne znam...
tactic sam stavljala tek nekoliko dana nakon što je aplicirana ampula.

trebala sam, nisam mogla - ne odgađam namjerno to. ukratko, loša je novčana situacija i zato sam prešla na tactic nakon tih nekoliko dana da bar nešto dajem što liječi dok ne uspijem kupiti novu (što će nadam se biti sutra).

htjela sam javiti kako napreduje sve i cijenim svaku pomoć, a rado bih da se ipak ne moram opravdavati zbog općenito neugodne situacije i za mene i malog psa.


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