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Nepročitano 20-06-13, 23:52   #11
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opet kazem- sve je tako inteligentno na bozji nacin.

Ok.

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pokusaj obuhvacanja beskraja krajnjim bi svakako mogao rezultirati mislju kako beskraj nesto moze negirati..


Uistinu, Bog je tako ljubio svijet te je dao svoga Sina Jedinorođenca da nijedan koji u njega vjeruje ne propadne, nego da ima život vječni.
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Ako je sve moguce mozda bi svijet bio kontradiktoran. A sta ako univerzum ne posjeduje ni ogranicenost ni neogranicenost. Mozda nasom ogranicenoscu dozivljavamo stvari iz nase perspektive gdje postoji nas univerzum ogranicenosti i neogranicenosti.
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ček ček....sad ću ja biti ili jako pametna ili jako glupa (nema baš bezbroj kombinacija tu)
ta teorija ne negira Boga...nego objašnjava način stvaranja???




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ja bi reka da ga to u biti i objasnjava.
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Infinite monkey theorem je čista matematika. Teorija "vjerojatnosti".
Znači, ako majmun nasumce tipka, šansa da će natipkati Šekspirovo djelo je vjerojatna kao i da će natipkati neko drugo djelo ili nešto bezvezno.

Ono, kao da imaš pred sobom krušku, jabuku, šljivu i bananu. Staviš povez na oči i ideš odabrati - za svaku voćku postoji vjerojatnost da ćeš je odabrati.
Poanta Infinite monkey teorema je da vjerojatnost nije 0 i da se matematički da izračunati (kao i vjerojatnost da ćeš pogoditi brojeve lota, da će danas padati kiša, da ćeš pogoditi kombinaciju brojeva na lokotu bicikla).

Koncept boga u cijeloj priči? Sila koja presavine vrijeme u kojem se "pogodak" desi i približi nam ga? Ili se i to da izračunati?

Prednost vjere je samo u tome što se pojavila prije znanosti i sve ono što ne znamo znanstveno objasniti skloni smo pripisati bogu.
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A prednost voca je samo u tome sto se pojavilo prije banana i sve ono sto pojedemo, a nema okus banane.. skloni smo pripisati nekom drugom vocu..

infinite monkey vs infinite banana


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Previše smo ograničeni da bismo o tome mogli ozbiljno kontemplirati.
Ovo je čisti larpurlartizam u širem smislu te riječi.


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Ako pretpostavimo da postoji beskraj, onda možemo pretpostaviti da je sve moguće. Kao što na mikro razini nasumičnim bacanjem kocke od ponuđenih 6 brojeva, kad tad ćeš dobiti svih šest tako i u ponudi beskrajnih kombinacija u beskrajnom vremenu sve su kombinacije izvjesne. Pitanje je samo vremena.

Matematičari imaju formulu po kojoj dolaze do takvog zaključka.
Radi se o Infinite Monkey Theorem gdje su simbolično "stavili" majmuna za pisaću mašinu koji beskonačno nasumično lupa po njoj da bi s vremenom slučajno ispisao kompletna djela od Shakespear-a.

Tu tezu su htjeli provjerit na način da su dali kompjuteru nasumično generiranje slova. Nakon nekog vremena je kompjuter pomalo slagao (specifične) nizove riječi iz Shakespear-ovih djela.
Problem je što nam je tehnologija preslaba da bi taj kompjuter zaista bio sposoban obraditi dovoljan broj kombinacija kako bi u razumnom periodu mogao na takav način (nasumično) izbaciti čitavo Shakespearovo djelo ali već sama indicija da se iz nasumičnog rađa (kompleksna) smisao je fascinantna.

Edit: Što će nam onda bog ako beskraj sama po sebi može i čini sve?

Ako bi se takva hipoteza uzela u obzir, život na Zemlji je mogao nastat kao posljedica beskrajnih nasumičnih kombinacija kojima je posljedica bila jednostanični organizam.
Takva hipoteza ne implicira samo nastanak života već i "čuda" koja se pripisuju božjim djelovanjem.

Zanimljivo, zar ne?
Je (protičati sa zagorskim naglaskom ) - to je vrlo intrigantna tema ali ima jedan 'sitan problem' (pored toga što je to slabašan pokušaj zagorjelih ateista da si protumače ono što nitko ne može shvatiti u potpunosti niti će ikada moći iz ove perspektive).

Baš kao što ne postoji dovoljno snažan comp da izvede ono što se ovdje tvrdi (shakespearova djela) - niti će ga ikada biti, tako niti na svijetu nema dovoljno vremena da se on stvori čistom stohastikom u svoj svojoj veličanstvenosti i savršenstvu. I o tome se već diskutiralo na dugo i naširoko u sklopu drugih tema i teorija (ne samo ovdje na forumu).

Mislim, to mi je nekak isto ko tvrditi da će majmun iz hrpetine mehaničkih dijelova kad tad složiti space shuttle. Teoretski? Paaa, možda ... ali onak čisto zdravo-razumski, rekla bih: never gonna happen.

A onda se možemo i zaplesti u pitanje vremena - što je uopće vrijeme, da li uopće postoji ili je ono samo konvencija kojom si mi, ograničena bića kakva jesmo, olakšavamo tumačenje i poimanje svega oko sebe.


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Je (protičati sa zagorskim naglaskom ) - to je vrlo intrigantna tema ali ima jedan 'sitan problem'.

Baš kao što ne postoji dovoljno snažan comp da izvede ono što se ovdje tvrdi (shakespearova djela) - niti će ga ikada biti, tako niti na svijetu nema dovoljno vremena da se on stvori čistom stohastikom u svoj svojoj veličanstvenosti i savršenstvu. I o tome se već diskutiralo na dugo i naširoko u sklopu drugih tema i teorija (ne samo ovdje na forumu).

Mislim, to mi je nekak isto ko tvrditi da će majmun iz hrpetine mehaničkih dijelova kad tad složiti space shuttle. Teoretski? Paaa, možda ... ali onak čisto zdravo-razumski, rekla bih: never gonna happen.
Mi smo na razini jedne čokoladne mrvice u cjelokupnoj dosadašnjoj proizvodnji sladoleda ... recimo proizvođača LEDO.



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