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Zašto je materija organizirana u subatomske čestice, koje se pokoravaju zakonima koji dopuštaju da one formiraju preko 100 elemenata koji daju materiju za svemir, kao i za atome, molekule i kemijske procese neophodne za život? Materija bi jednostavno mogla biti kaotična, bez zakona. Zakoni sugeriraju inteligentno planiranje.

Zašto je masa tih subatomskih čestica često točno onolika koliko je potrebna, precizno do u tisućuti dio?


Proračuni ukazuju da su milijarde godina za starost Zemlje previše kratki za formiranje samo jedne specifične proteinske molekule. (Toliko o nasumičnim pisanjem Shekespearovih djela) . Postojanje Boga se čini neophodnim.

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Ako pretpostavimo da postoji beskraj, onda možemo pretpostaviti da je sve moguće. Kao što na mikro razini nasumičnim bacanjem kocke od ponuđenih 6 brojeva, kad tad ćeš dobiti svih šest tako i u ponudi beskrajnih kombinacija u beskrajnom vremenu sve su kombinacije izvjesne. Pitanje je samo vremena.

Matematičari imaju formulu po kojoj dolaze do takvog zaključka.
Radi se o Infinite Monkey Theorem gdje su simbolično "stavili" majmuna za pisaću mašinu koji beskonačno nasumično lupa po njoj da bi s vremenom slučajno ispisao kompletna djela od Shakespear-a.

Tu tezu su htjeli provjerit na način da su dali kompjuteru nasumično generiranje slova. Nakon nekog vremena je kompjuter pomalo slagao (specifične) nizove riječi iz Shakespear-ovih djela.
Problem je što nam je tehnologija preslaba da bi taj kompjuter zaista bio sposoban obraditi dovoljan broj kombinacija kako bi u razumnom periodu mogao na takav način (nasumično) izbaciti čitavo Shakespearovo djelo ali već sama indicija da se iz nasumičnog rađa (kompleksna) smisao je fascinantna.

Edit: Što će nam onda bog ako beskraj sama po sebi može i čini sve?

Ako bi se takva hipoteza uzela u obzir, život na Zemlji je mogao nastat kao posljedica beskrajnih nasumičnih kombinacija kojima je posljedica bila jednostanični organizam.
Takva hipoteza ne implicira samo nastanak života već i "čuda" koja se pripisuju božjim djelovanjem.

Zanimljivo, zar ne?

Što će nam um i svjesno, logično djelovanje ako nam se nasumce mogu posložiti stvari u životu?
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Što će nam um i svjesno, logično djelovanje ako nam se nasumce mogu posložiti stvari u životu?
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tako je. sidi i cekaj.
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Što će nam um i svjesno, logično djelovanje ako nam se nasumce mogu posložiti stvari u životu?
Po ovoj teoriji trebamo samo ležati i čekati.

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a kad je sve tako slucajno,,opet se pitam zasto se sad sasvim SLUCAJNO nebi kraj mene stvorilo 9 kila zlata?
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a kad je sve tako slucajno,,opet se pitam zasto se sad sasvim SLUCAJNO nebi kraj mene stvorilo 9 kila zlata?
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a kad je sve tako slucajno,,opet se pitam zasto se sad sasvim SLUCAJNO nebi kraj mene stvorilo 9 kila zlata?
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Ja bi postavila pitanje zašto uopće nešto postoji?
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Što će nam um i svjesno, logično djelovanje ako nam se nasumce mogu posložiti stvari u životu?
Po ovoj teoriji trebamo samo ležati i čekati.
A ovo je zapravo točno, ali svejedno ni na koji način ne potvrđuje teoriju slučajnosti - baš suprotno. Razmislite o tome.


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